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Headache in a Suitcase 09-16-2016 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 8101757)
man i've told you a million times that we are never ever ever getting back together.

Slut.

Pearl 09-16-2016 04:35 PM

This happened a day or two ago, but shows the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Plus. rich privileged people are so thin-skinned:

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When Gupta pressed Trump on her father’s lack of inclusion for men, asking about same-sex couples, Trump interrupts her to point out that the policy would work fine for two women married to each other. But what if two men are married and adopt a child? “The original intention of the plan is to help mothers in recovery in the immediate aftermath of childbirth,” Trump responded.

When Gupta asked Trump to talk about her father’s change of heart, pointing out that in 2004 he’d called pregnancy an inconvenience for businesses, she said:

I think that you have a lot of negativity in these questions, and I think my father has put forth a very comprehensive and really revolutionary plan to deal with a lot of issues. So I don't know how useful it is to spend too much time with you on this if you're going to make a comment like that.
For the rest of the interview, she’s combative: “You said he made those comments,” she says to Gupta. “I don't know that he said those comments.” When Gupta reiterates that, yes, Donald Trump said pregnancy was an inconvenience, Trump responds, “There's plenty of time for you to editorialize around this, but I think he put forth a really incredible plan.”
The toughest Ivanka Trump interview yet has come from Cosmo - Vox

Oregoropa 09-16-2016 05:18 PM

2016 US Presidential Election Thread XIII
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Diemen (Post 8101758)


Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.


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Headache in a Suitcase 09-16-2016 05:24 PM

I don't think Trump is like Hitler, because I don't think he really wants to be president and you guys are all fucking suckers.

BVS 09-16-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregoropa (Post 8101784)
Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.


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The difference is that none of those quotes were a repeated tactic used to drum up fear and support.


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Irvine511 09-16-2016 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by namkcuR (Post 8101747)
I'm starting to think you want Trump to win so you can spend the next four years telling everyone how stupid they were to nominate Hillary and if only Bernie had been the nominee...



That's been the MO since the primaries.

namkcuR 09-16-2016 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oregoropa (Post 8101784)
Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.


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Except what Biden and Reid said was not mean-spirited or hateful, nor was it intended to encourage people to voice to the ugliest parts of themselves.

And you don't agree with my assessment? I don't know how you can watch this video and not come away confident that these rallies are populated with racists, sexists, Islamophobes, and white power sympathizers.

Unfiltered Voices From Donald Trump's Crowds - Video - NYTimes.com

Everyone should watch that video in order to get a visceral idea of what these rallies seem to be about.

LuckyNumber7 09-16-2016 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregoropa (Post 8101784)
Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.


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While the Reid one is inexcusable (I don't like him at all), the Bill Clinton one isn't racist, and I think that's a great example of hypersensitivity.

Bill Clinton, former president and former governor, had been in power in high profile positions for almost 25 years. He was addressing Ted Kennedy, who had been in a high profile position for over 25 years, and overall in the senate since the late 60s. Not to mention... he was a Kennedy. And you had Barack Obama, who in 2007 was a junior senator and otherwise had previous history being a state senator. He had less than ten years in politics. How this comes off as racist, I don't know. It's very clearly a remark between two high level individuals on the inexperience of the competition.

DaveC 09-16-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7 (Post 8101799)
How this comes off as racist, I don't know.

https://media.giphy.com/media/12OqFaUF0nD560/giphy.gif

Oregoropa 09-16-2016 06:29 PM

#ShitOutForHarambe


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Diemen 09-16-2016 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oregoropa (Post 8101784)
Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Did any of those people lead a years-long campaign claiming that Obama wasn't a legitimate president because, despite all evidence to the contrary, they claimed he wasn't born in the United States, and said they had the (never materialized) evidence to prove it?

Did any of them refuse to renounce the claim for years (despite the evidence clearly proving them wrong) and then only do so while shamelessly tricking the media into covering the opening of one of their new properties?

Did any of them claim to not know anything about white supremacy and refuse to renounce the support of well known and prominent white supremacists?

Did any of them (and their subordinates) pass around white supremacist memes during their campaigns?

Did any of their children go onto white supremacist talk radio shows to be interviewed?

Did any of them openly encourage physical violence at their campaign rallies?

Did any of them call for voting place intimidation watch groups?

Did any of them claim that if their opponent won that maybe the second amendment (wink wink, nudge nudge) could solve the issue?

Did any of them call for a nationwide ban on immigrants of one specific religion?

Did any of them call to create a national register of all members of one specific religion?

Did any of them making the openly racist claim that a US-born judge couldn't be impartial because he was Mexican and therefore was biased against Trump?

No? None of them did those things?

:|

To suggest that Donald Trump only says casually, maybe-it-is-maybe-it-isn't racist things like those guys said is to engage in a level of willful ignorance that is flat out dangerous. Donald Trump, through his (and his subordinates' and some of his supporters') words, actions and inaction, has encouraged and allowed white supremacists to gain a more prominent place in the Republican party and feel more comfortable espousing their despicable views in public, and it is a complete and utterly morally vacant failure of the Republican party that it has not been more forceful in rejecting that resurgence, and the man allowing it to happen.

I'm not saying that if you support Donald Trump you're automatically a racist and a bigot, but if you're aware of what he's said and encouraged and still support him, you certainly seem to be willing to accept far more racism and bigotry than should be acceptable in civilized society.

namkcuR 09-16-2016 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Diemen (Post 8101813)
Did any of those people lead a years-long campaign claiming that Obama wasn't a legitimate president because, despite all evidence to the contrary, they claimed he wasn't born in the United States, and said they had the (never materialized) evidence to prove it?

Did any of them refuse to renounce the claim for years (despite the evidence clearly proving them wrong) and then only do so while shamelessly tricking the media into covering the opening of one of their new properties?

Did any of them claim to not know anything about white supremacy and refuse to renounce the support of well known and prominent white supremacists?

Did any of them (and their subordinates) pass around white supremacist memes during their campaigns?

Did any of their children go onto white supremacist talk radio shows to be interviewed?

Did any of them openly encourage physical violence at their campaign rallies?

Did any of them call for voting place intimidation watch groups?

Did any of them claim that if their opponent won that maybe the second amendment (wink wink, nudge nudge) could solve the issue?

Did any of them call for a nationwide ban on immigrants of one specific religion?

Did any of them call to create a national register of all members of one specific religion?

Did any of them making the openly racist claim that a US-born judge couldn't be impartial because he was Mexican and therefore was biased against Trump?

No? None of them did those things?

:|

To suggest that Donald Trump only says casually, maybe-it-is-maybe-it-isn't racist things like those guys said is to engage in a level of willful ignorance that is flat out dangerous. Donald Trump, through his (and his subordinates' and some of his supporters') words, actions and inaction, has encouraged and allowed white supremacists to gain a more prominent place in the Republican party and feel more comfortable espousing their despicable views in public, and it is a complete and utterly morally vacant failure of the Republican party that it has not been more forceful in rejecting that resurgence, and the man allowing it to happen.

I'm not saying that if you support Donald Trump you're automatically a racist and a bigot, but if you're aware of what he's said and encouraged and still support him, you certainly seem to be willing to accept far more racism and bigotry than should be acceptable in civilized society.

:applaud:

Preach, brother!

anitram 09-16-2016 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oregoropa (Post 8101784)
Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.

So if we were to, say, call those people racist, then you'd call Trump racist too?

Just wondering.

Oregoropa 09-16-2016 07:49 PM

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Diemen you better start working your local phone bank to warn minorities about the dangerous man they are supporting.

Most recent Rasmussen poll

23% African-American support
53% Other Minority support

Attachment 10886
Attachment 10887

https://m.rasmussenreports.com/public...te_house_watch




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BVS 09-16-2016 08:13 PM

Interesting, every other poll has him between 1 and 6%, but Rasmussen always seems to find the honest ones ONLINE and willing to answer the phone :lol:


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Diemen 09-16-2016 08:13 PM

I note the conspicuous lack of a rebuttal.

Moonlit_Angel 09-16-2016 08:53 PM

:|

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adj...-election.html

So much for all the recent talk of the people running his campaign promising a different, less volatile Trump.

BVS 09-16-2016 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel (Post 8101833)
:|



https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adj...-election.html



So much for all the recent talk of the people running his campaign promising a different, less volatile Trump.


Problem is, this message resonates with his base. They're the meme crowd, nuance is a French word; any regulation on guns = they're taking our guns. It's easy, and long lasting. So Hillary must be a hypocrite to be protected by guns, and it's ok to "joke" about the assassination of hypocritical bitches.


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Moonlit_Angel 09-16-2016 09:24 PM

All very true. Just another reminder that his "foot in mouth" impulse (to put it extremely mildly) will never be fully controlled no matter how many campaign officials attempt to "rein him in", is all.

BigMacPhisto 09-16-2016 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS (Post 8101838)
Problem is, this message resonates with his base.

You mean a plurality of the country given recent polls. But yes, I agree, it resonates with them.

The horse race would have ended quickly had the Democrats provided a suitable candidate for liberals, but it looks like we'll either toss Jill Stein a bit of pity or just recycle the ballot. Y'all say you didn't need us, so enjoy a nailbiter.


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