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bono_212 03-26-2015 10:39 PM

I really wanted to believe that this time around there would be a stronger push for someone not from the two parties to legitimately run,but it seems that not much has changed, there.

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nbelcik 03-26-2015 10:47 PM

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I really wanted to believe that this time around there would be a stronger push for someone not from the two parties to legitimately run,but it seems that not much has changed, there.

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bono_212 03-26-2015 10:51 PM

I threw it away in the past election, too. :sad:

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deep 03-26-2015 11:18 PM

That suggest that you would.have.preferred to.have.Romney.

LuckyNumber7 03-26-2015 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511 (Post 7925873)
would there be anything more depressing than Bush vs. Clinton?

talk about dynasties.

that's what was so great about Obama -- he felt like we were finally turning the page on the Baby Boom and moving into the future, getting us out of the culture wars of the 60s and the scars of Vietnam.

and yet here we are.


In a sense, yeah. But still, there's a lot that both of them represent that's noticeably different from their predecessors. Hillary being a woman... which in today's time is a much bigger deal for the progression of women than in Bill's time... and Jeb well... Jeb really isn't like his brother at all. That's more just from experience of him as governor of my state. He's aaaaalmost the progressive that the Republican Party needs to survive. Dick Cheney aught to give him a talking about how Dicks that love Dicks are a good thing. And perhaps foreign policy accepting the Lesbenese.

Irvine511 03-27-2015 12:47 AM

I agree that Jeb is vastly preferable to his idiot brother and most of the rest of the protest movement we now call the GOP, but how is Mrs Clinton a step forward, beyond her gender?

I'm sure she's competent. But beyond that? Is that enough?

bono_212 03-27-2015 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by deep (Post 7925951)
That suggest that you would.have.preferred to.have.Romney.

That suggest I would have preferred neither.

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Originally Posted by Irvine511 (Post 7925973)
I agree that Jeb is vastly preferable to his idiot brother and most of the rest of the protest movement we now call the GOP, but how is Mrs Clinton a step forward, beyond her gender?

I'm sure she's competent. But beyond that? Is that enough?

Well, thus the problem of a two party system. There's no other option.

LuckyNumber7 03-27-2015 01:00 AM

Well, I don't know. She has a history of politics, so in that sense, she holds a politician's record of back-and-forth. But in my opinion, she's just as much an Obama product as she is a Bill product. In fact, she's just as much of an in between as Jeb is. Half of more of the same, half of something fresh.

I wouldn't say that her gender is what makes her qualified or desirable, but at the same time I wouldn't discount the nature of where she's coming from. She's not as much of a legacy as another Bush... after all... she's the wife of, not the son of. Certainly an interesting dynamic, gender aside (I mean that in the sense of... if every president was a woman, is the husband really a legacy then?)

I'm certainly not in favor of the dynastic presidencies, but at the same time a Hilary/Bush head to head does offer just as much difference as it does similarity.

Strange thought, how would a Dem/Repube ticket like Clinton/Bush fare in a general election?

Irvine511 03-27-2015 09:22 AM

I suppose her other argument is deep experience -- 8 years in the White House as an active creator of policy, 8 years as a Senator, 4 years as Sec of State. That's a considerable resume.

I think that nepotism is still an issue here, though she's always been wildly accomplished. But that's me objecting to the principle, not the person.

And at this point, the 1990s seems like an idyllic time when all we really worried about were Oval Office BJs and shark attacks. It will be interesting if a Democrat appeals to nostalgia for a better, bygone era

LuckyNumber7 03-27-2015 12:02 PM

Hilary will mention how Jeb was responsible for giving Florida to George W.! Then all hell broke loose.

Mrs. Garrison 03-27-2015 12:16 PM

There was plenty of armed conflict in the world during the 1990s, not a lot of it was on the daily news or internet like it is now. And of course the scope of it is all much bigger today than it was then. Twenty years ago our unit went to Eqypt in a joint mission with their military, today that's not even an option. The entire ME is in turmoil and while that is not necessarily Hillary's fault, she was Sec of State for part of the turmoil. That will be used against her in the campaign if she is the nominee - you can bank on that.

There are days i believe we started the fire and there are other days i think we just threw gasoline on something that was already burning. Either way there have been obvious mistakes and im not sure who, if anyone, has the answer. Or what the answer even is at this point.

I do believe firmly that Hillary is the best option though. It's not about what she stands for or what she doesn't stand for. It's about her experience and her ability to get things done. That the Clinton's may or may not have blood on their hands is not even an issue with me either. Getting the job done is. And being stronger and better than the alternative is.

Let's just face facts, the potential field of GOP candidates look awful on just about everything. Some of that may change but none of them have my vote. Even the "good ones" will be stuck pandering to the whacky side of the GOP to get the tea people vote. For every reasonable republican in this country there's probably one nut out there who thinks Palin, Cruz, Santorum, Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, etc. would make a great president.

So yeah, Hillary, you had me at "what difference does it make!"

Kieran McConville 03-27-2015 08:22 PM

Hillary is rapidly approaching the stage where she can make quips about not using her opponent's youth and inexperience against him. Strange to think of baby boomers that way, but she'll be the same age as Reagan (was) by 2017.

Oregoropa 03-28-2015 09:23 PM

Hillary is sinking because of email situation. Stinks to high heaven. O malley and Warren can def challenge her


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nbelcik 03-28-2015 09:27 PM

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Hillary is sinking because of email situation. Stinks to high heaven. O malley and Warren can def challenge her


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It's a shame the media isn't talking about a real scandal: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/wisco...429739886.html


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Oregoropa 03-28-2015 09:53 PM

On the GOP side the big litmus test issue is that of immigration. There is a large portion on the GOP that wants nothing to do with pathways, amnesty, or more high tech visas.

Bush is for it satisfying the Chamber of Commerce crowd. Walker could very well be the front-runner if he is clean on this issue. But recently have a closed door COC speech in Arizona which seemed to leave hints of a pro amnesty lean.

The only candidate who has a clean 'hoo-ha' when it comes to Immigration is Cruz. Every other candidate has had conflicting statements before. I'm not a cheerleader for anybody, but this distinction could put Cruz above the scrum of conservative wing nominees.

I'm just a conservative observer. It will be a fascinating year ahead.


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Mrs. Garrison 03-29-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregoropa (Post 7926415)
Hillary is sinking because of email situation. Stinks to high heaven. O malley and Warren can def challenge her


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Not exactly sinking

Poll: Who would Americans consider voting for in 2016? - CBS News

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The Democrats

Revelations about Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while serving as secretary of state have done little to change her commanding lead as the potential candidate for the Democratic nomination in 2016. 81 percent would consider voting for her - the same percentage as last month.

99ledzeppelins 03-29-2015 10:27 PM

I gotta say, Rand Paul seems very interesting as a candidate. Dr. Ben Carson might have some pretty good policies up his sleeve too, so it's hard to say who I would lean towards.

As for Hillary, I pretty much lost respect for her after the Benghazi issue. The whole e-mail thing really doesn't help either.

Irvine511 03-29-2015 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 99ledzeppelins (Post 7926723)
I gotta say, Rand Paul seems very interesting as a candidate. Dr. Ben Carson might have some pretty good policies up his sleeve too, so it's hard to say who I would lean towards.

As for Hillary, I pretty much lost respect for her after the Benghazi issue. The whole e-mail thing really doesn't help either.



What policies does Ben Cardin have that you admire and what do you understand to be the Benghazi issue that lead to your loss of respect for Hillary?

BVS 03-29-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 99ledzeppelins (Post 7926723)
I gotta say, Rand Paul seems very interesting as a candidate. Dr. Ben Carson might have some pretty good policies up his sleeve too, so it's hard to say who I would lean towards.

As for Hillary, I pretty much lost respect for her after the Benghazi issue. The whole e-mail thing really doesn't help either.


I'm confused, why are you finding homophobes to be interesting candidates?


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Vlad n U 2 03-29-2015 10:47 PM

I despise Hillary (not surprisingly) but I'm constantly amused at how often conservatives bring up Benghazi.


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