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Steved1998 07-30-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511 (Post 7547227)
Millions of baby boys have thought the same thing as their penises were being mutilated.

You guys are worse than atheists.

LuckyNumber7 07-30-2012 05:05 PM

The notion of banning something like that bothers me in the sense that you're telling someone what they can and cannot do.

At the same time, the parents are telling a future adult what they can and cannot have.


It's almost contradictory, but since I don't believe that parents choose a religion for their kids, neither should they choose a religious practice for them.

Honestly, make it a double Bar Mitzvah at 18 and go have circumcision surgery. The practice of circumcision should not be illegal, that's ridiculous. However, one should have the right to choose for themselves, and not have that decision be made for them.

Irvine511 07-30-2012 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Steved1998 (Post 7547831)
You guys are worse than atheists.


i want my son to enjoy having gay sex as much as he can. how can you do that without foreskin?

Jive Turkey 07-30-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Steved1998 (Post 7547140)
I hope your son enjoys the smegma that's going to ooze out of that ugly little wormy looking thing

You'd better stay away from vaginas then. They produce more smegma than any penis ever has

Steved1998 07-30-2012 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

You'd better stay away from vaginas then. They produce more smegma than any penis ever has

Not in my experience. You should choose you women more carefully.

LuckyNumber7 07-30-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Steved1998 (Post 7547875)
Not in my experience. You should choose you women more carefully.

Psst... it's called personal hygiene. It's disgusting if you don't have it, whether or not there is foreskin involved.

Jive Turkey 07-30-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steved1998 (Post 7547875)
Not in my experience. You should choose you women more carefully.

You should help yourself to a science book

Steved1998 07-30-2012 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

You should help yourself to a science book

The only science book I need is the good book

LuckyNumber7 07-30-2012 08:55 PM

You can't be serious.

LemonMelon 07-30-2012 09:14 PM

deep

has a disciple

!

Steved1998 07-30-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7
You can't be serious.

Why not?

digitize 07-30-2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7
You can't be serious.

He's not.

maycocksean 07-30-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon (Post 7547919)
deep

has a disciple

!


seems he's gaining quite a following 'round here these days.

LuckyNumber7 07-31-2012 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by digitize (Post 7547935)
He's not.

Thank... God.

Vincent Vega 07-31-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by digitize (Post 7547305)
Arabs (though not Persians) are Semitic too, actually.

I wouldn't know of anyone who uses the term anti-semitism in regards to Arabs/Muslims, though.

I guess the comment was also more of an ironic statement.
This notwithstanding, I don't think the modern German legal system should give special consideration to one religion when weighing two fundamental freedoms, as it did here.

MrsSpringsteen 08-27-2012 10:31 AM

Yes the doctor's name is Wang. Coincidence? I think not.

Huffington Post


For the first time in more than a decade, the American Academy of Pediatrics has revised its policy on male circumcision showing more support for the procedure, yet stopping short of recommending routine circumcision.

The academy, the leading U.S. pediatric group, now says the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks and that families who choose to circumcise their baby boys should be able to.

"The tone of the policy certainly shifts somewhat in favor of circumcision in that it recognizes that there are clear medical benefits that outweigh the risks of the procedure, and that those benefits are sufficient to justify coverage by insurance," said Dr. Douglas Diekema, a member of the academy's circumcision task force.

"What remains unchanged is that the AAP still holds that the health benefits are not great enough to recommend routine circumcision for all newborn males," he said.

The academy's previous policy statement on circumcision was released in 1999. It concluded that there were "potential" medical benefits to newborn male circumcision, but not enough to recommend it routinely.

The new policy says that the health benefits of circumcision are not great enough to endorse it for all newborn boys, but "are sufficient to justify access to this procedure for families choosing it."

However, opponents to circumcision remain unswayed by such health claims.

Georganne Chapin, founding executive director of the anti-circumcision advocacy group Intact America, said last week that she looked forward to calling out academy leadership for "scientific blindness."

"They have done nothing to address the real risks and harms of circumcision," Chapin told The Huffington Post. "They also appear to be totally ignoring the fact that their European colleagues are not only unimpressed by the supposed 'benefits' of cutting up baby boys' penises, but are actually considering whether child circumcision should be banned on the basis that it violates children's rights. Talk about being out of step."

A 23-page technical report, which accompanied the policy, summarized studies between 1995 and 2010 used to draft the guidelines. According to that report, potential health benefits include the prevention of urinary tract infections, HIV and penile cancer. Some studies found that circumcision can prevent the transmission of certain sexually transmitted infections, including the human papillomavirus and genital herpes.

Major complications from circumcision, including death, were "so infrequent" that the academy excluded them from the review. However, the technical report described possible risks of infant circumcision, relying heavily on two hospital-based studies in the U.S. Those studies found that the most common risks from circumcision were bleeding, infection and penile injury. Procedures performed on infants had lower complication rates than those performed later in life, the report stated, concluding that the procedure is generally "well tolerated" when performed by trained professions in a sterile environment.

The academy's new policy comes as circumcision is a topic of increasing debate in the U.S., both at the research and policy levels: Medicaid programs in 18 states have stopped covering circumcision, and local governments in California have attempted to ban the procedure.

But Dr. Marvin Wang, director of newborn nurseries at MassGeneral Hospital for Children and an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School, said that the contents of the new statement and the academy's shift toward circumcision are not surprising.

"This new policy still puts the decision-making in parents' hands," Wang said. "But what the AAP says now is, 'We have enough to say that you can make the decision based on religion, cultural and family issues. But guess what? You can now throw health in as a reason for doing it if you want to.'"

It's unclear the impact the statement will have on circumcision rates in the U.S., which have declined from a peak of around 80 percent of baby boys in the 1970s and 1980s, to 55 percent in 2010. In 2010, Wang published a study that found parents' attitudes about circumcision remained largely unchanged after they read the earlier AAP statement.

"Nothing was going to change their mind," Wang said. "What they come into it with is what they go out of it with." :shifty:

Jive Turkey 08-27-2012 11:21 AM

Cutting off your left pinky finger reduces the likelihood of hangnails on the left pinky finger, left pinky finger cancer, and certain cooty transmitted infections

anitram 08-27-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey (Post 7561121)
Cutting off your left pinky finger reduces the likelihood of hangnails on the left pinky finger, left pinky finger cancer, and certain cooty transmitted infections

I was just going to say that their logic made no sense to me - what next, advocating mastectomies for girls to reduce breast cancer risks? Preventative appendectomies?

deep 08-27-2012 01:01 PM

some women at high risk, actually do that.
but, no not a good plan in general.

and as for the circumcision discussion, rational argument falls down (not heavily ) but enough so that doing it is better for an individual than not. It is like vaccinations, better to do it.

Jive Turkey 08-27-2012 01:07 PM

It's nothing like vaccinations, deep


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