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Headache in a Suitcase 06-06-2011 01:53 PM

Weiner-gate!
 
Come on... how can we not have a threat dedicated to the best named political scandal of all time?

nathan1977 06-06-2011 02:05 PM

I'm personally waiting to discuss it alongside the Boehner-gate that will inevitably follow.

Headache in a Suitcase 06-06-2011 02:13 PM

honestly though... a congressman named weiner gets caught showing his schmeckle? you couldn't write shit like that.

too bad there's no senator boobs.

nathan1977 06-06-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase (Post 7229887)
too bad there's no senator boobs.

If I were drinking milk, it would have just come out my nose.

bono_212 06-06-2011 03:40 PM

Someone posted the story on my facebook wall the other day with an lol after it and I'm only just now understanding why it's funny :doh:

deep 06-06-2011 03:45 PM

the whole thing was a slow train wreck from the beginning



"I can not say if that is a picture of my crotch or not" ???? :huh:



he stands a decent chance of surviving if it was only online and on the phone,
Dems don't care about pervs, they know we are all pervs,
only the GOP pretend they are not. (in public)

Irvine511 06-06-2011 04:17 PM

well, he's admitted:

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(CNN) -- A week after claiming a hacker had posted a lewd photo to his Twitter account, U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner on Monday apologized for lying about the ordeal and admitting carrying on inappropriate relationships with several women he'd met online.

Weiner, a New York Democrat, said he is not resigning his seat, nor is he planning on separating from his wife. But he said he took responsibility for his actions -- both the relationships and for lying about sending photos.

"I have made terrible mistakes," Weiner told reporters. "I have not been honest with myself or my family... I should not have done this, and I should not have done this particularly when I was married.

"This was destructive," he added. "It was deeply, deeply hurtful."

Weiner claimed that he didn't believe he used any government resources while sending various photos to women he'd met online, "mostly on Facebook." The congressman claimed that he never met any of the women, with all of the relationships occuring exclusively over the Internet.

Earlier in the day, Weiner faced fresh questions with the release of two new images, including one that appears to show the New York Democrat shirtless.

The images were published on BigGovernment.com, a conservative website run by Andrew Breitbart. The site said the images were sent to an unnamed woman on May 20 via an e-mail address she claims belonged to Weiner.

Before Weiner spoke at his scheduled 4 p.m. press conference, Breitbart -- who claimed he happened to be staying at a hotel few blocks down -- unexpectedly took over the podium to challenge Weiner and the media and defend his site's story.

"This is an ongoing story, this is a compelling story," said Breitbart, bristling at reports he orchestrated the issue for political purposes and was responsible for hacking Weiner's account. "I did not like that he doubled down that this is about Breitbart."

The conversative blogger also claimed that he had, in his possession, another "X-rated" photo allegedly from Weiner that he said he wasn't releasing because he hoped "to save (Weiner's) family."

"I'd like an apology," a defiant Breitbart said. "This was his strategy, which is to blame me for hacking."

During his press conference, Weiner apologized "to everyone that I misled in the media" -- including Breitbart -- but most of all a wife.

"This was me doing a dumb thing, and doing it repeatedly, then lying about it," Weiner said.

Breitbart's website was the first to publish an incriminating photo, sent via Twitter from Weiner's account of a man's bulging underwear.

Weiner initially released written statements claiming that he was the victim of a hacker and a prank. Then, during a testy press conference, he dodged questions about whether the photo was of him and why he hadn't asked law enforcement to investigate if his account had, indeed, been compromised.

The following day, in a series of interviews, he said he could not say with "certitude" if the photograph was of him. He has also deflected recent questions from CNN, saying he's hired an attorney at the firm of Baker Hostetler to look into the matter.

Many Democrats first rallied around the liberal congressman. But members of the House Democratic leadership have talked repeatedly in recent days to try to get him to end what has become an unwelcome political distraction, a member of the party's leadership told CNN.

"It's frustrating because we'll talk to him, and say clean it up, and then he goes out and does stuff," said the member of the House Democratic leadership, who declined to speak on the record about private discussions with Weiner."

"He's got to put the period at the end of the sentence," the Democratic source said. "It's painful."

well, good that Weiner's pulled out and gotten it on off his chest.

so ... if Weiner is conducting "relationships" that are entirely online ... has he done anything wrong to anyone but his wife? and even then, if we believe him (which i kind of do, actually, at least now), is this morally wrong? it doesn't sound like he was sending unsolicited pictures to random women, as if he were the flasher on the corner ... this strikes me as dovetailing into the other discussion about people who have online affairs with other people that never involve any physical contact. is this "cheating" or is this something else? is this little more than just a more interactive style of pornography where both parties are mutually consenting to enter into a cyber fantasy with one another?

do we care? should we care?

kramwest1 06-06-2011 04:19 PM

It's the lying. He should step down.

It's a safe Dem seat, so no net loss other than a great, but flawed Congressman.

kellyahern 06-06-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase (Post 7229887)
honestly though... a congressman named weiner gets caught showing his schmeckle? you couldn't write shit like that.

too bad there's no senator boobs.

Chris Matthews just shouting, "We'll be back with this incredible Weiner story!" on MSNBC was quite funny. :hmm:

deep 06-06-2011 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kramwest1 (Post 7230008)
It's the lying. He should step down.

It's a safe Dem seat, so no net loss other than a great, but flawed Congressman.

for me, it's a question of such poor, poor judgement
and also, his credibility will always be suspect.

I really don't use twitter of facebook, (I have accounts, so I can view content, when necessary) I also carefully weigh my emails, because I know they can be forwarded to anyone and everyone.

corianderstem 06-06-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by deep (Post 7230035)
for me, it's a question of such poor, poor judgement

This. How stupid do you have to be to do something like that as a public figure (who's not just another shitty celebrity looking for more publicity)?

deep 06-06-2011 04:45 PM

just another guy. looking for a blow job.

cobl04 06-06-2011 04:48 PM

He took IT out.

deep 06-06-2011 04:54 PM

I hope IT

means Internet Tech

and not

Weiner: There Was No Hacking, It Was My Penis, and I'm Not Resigning --

Irvine511 06-06-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by deep (Post 7230044)
just another guy. looking for a blow job.



my guess is he was just looking to masturbate via cybersex chat.

he also said:

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"This was a very dumb thing to do," he acknowledged. "If you're looking for some deep explanation for what I did, I don't have one."
that's probably true. testosterone is a powerful thing. so is technology. you best understand how the two of them work if you're going to mix them.

idiot.

after this, Arnold, and DSK, really not a good month for straight men, is it?

deep 06-06-2011 05:02 PM

https://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/as...11/05/huma.jpg

Bohner and Wiener
share a Huma

kramwest1 06-06-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by deep (Post 7230086)

OMG, please someone photoshop that into an Eiffel Tower.

:lol:

Canadiens1131 06-06-2011 05:35 PM

Too bad, he was a good speaker, and was priceless dealing with Fox News bimbos like Megyan Kelly in interviews, throwing their own BS back at them.

Ah well, still turned out to be an asshole like most in government.

Irvine511 06-06-2011 06:00 PM

i do wonder about the role of all this and whether it should matter or not.

yes, it's crappy that Arnold fathered god knows how many children out of wedlock.

this is stupid and gross.

these are all distinct from, say, sexual assault or rape (hello, DSK) which are crimes.



but is it all that much of a stretch to think that assholes are also probably going to be the kind of people who seek political power and just might be very effective at wielding said power? would JFK have even made it past his first term as a Senator today? would that be a good thing? would it have been a good thing if Clinton had resigned over Gennifer Flowers or Monica Lewinsky?

it doesn't surprise me at all that, men in positions of power have the chance to exercise their libidos in a way most regular men do not because women are attracted to men in positions of power. are we riding ourselves of people who might be capable leaders because they have sex outside their marriages?

we can talk about how stupid this is, sure, and i don't Twitter myself, but he meant to send this privately and not post it publicly. had that not happened, we'd never know about this. are we better for knowing about it? is he less of an effective politician because he pressed the wrong button?

hell, my mother can't even turn on her DVD player. does that mean she's "stupid"?

these are just thoughts, not statements. anyway ...

corianderstem 06-06-2011 06:15 PM

I think someone who is in a position of some power should know to be more careful and/or more knowledgeable about technology and how easy it is to "hit a wrong button" or to make the mistake of trusting someone not to share something that was meant to be private.

Maybe "naive" is more accurate than "stupid." But these days, considering how many things intended to be private get exposed (har har), you'd think that people in any sort of power would think a bit more before doing something like that, private intentions or not.

I could just go for the easy joke and accuse him of being just another person who thinks with their genitals. ;)

BVS 06-06-2011 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511 (Post 7230139)
i do wonder about the role of all this and whether it should matter or not.

It only mattered because he lied about it to his constituents and allowed tax money to be spent on said lie...

PhilsFan 06-06-2011 07:00 PM

This is one of the few politicians I liked and respected, and now he goes and does this. God damn it, I hate everyone.

BVS 06-06-2011 07:05 PM

It will be interesting how the GOP plays this. Can they really say anything with a known cheater on their Presidential ticket?

U217 06-06-2011 07:13 PM

If you're in a position of power you have an obligation to conduct yourself with more care than the average person. That may not be a fair expectation, and it is not how the real world operates most of the time but ethics should matter. If a guy doesn't have the brains to figure out that sending pictures of his weiner to random girls is stupid, I don't want him working on the budget.

:heart:,
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INDY500 06-06-2011 08:38 PM

Seeing as we just had a special election in New York to replace a Republican who resigned under eerily similar circumstances. If he doesn't resign it will be a big campaign issue even given that it is a safe Dem seat.

deep 06-06-2011 08:54 PM

really?? I think you are just letting your conservative bias get the best of you




































https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...opless-007.jpg

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...mb-450x337.jpg

Irvine511 06-06-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7230312)
Seeing as we just had a special election in New York to replace a Republican who resigned under eerily similar circumstances. If he doesn't resign it will be a big campaign issue even given that it is a safe Dem seat.



i was surprised that Lee resigned. but then, Dems don't set themselves up for charges of sexual hypocrisy like the GOP does.

still, got to hand it to both men for keeping in shape.

deep 06-06-2011 09:22 PM

if these allegations are true, he needs to go.
the sooner the better.

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Broussard later received numerous graphic images from Weiner's private Yahoo email account, RockOh77@yahoo.com. The emails included a photo of a man's erect penis as well as a shot of a shirtless man at a desk whose face - distinctly recognizable as Weiner's - is only partially visible. In his emotional press conference, Weiner acknowledged the possibility that X-rated photos of himself could be floating around the Internet.

Read more: Rep. Anthony Weiner's sexting partners Meagan Broussard, Lisa Weiss out themselves, describe affairs

Canadiens1131 06-06-2011 09:27 PM

https://i.imgur.com/WMxen.jpg

solemole 06-06-2011 09:41 PM

Politicians are liars?! :ohmy::doh::shocked::panic:

Irvine511 06-06-2011 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deep (Post 7230365)
if these allegations are true, he needs to go.
the sooner the better.



why? and i mean that as a serious question. i agree that he shouldn't have lied, but this was not a lie about a crime it was a lie about an embarrassing photo. he was also incredibly stupid, but does this affect how we see his political judgment or ability to lead? perhaps, but shouldn't that be decided by voters in the next election?

no one was harassed, everything was consensual. there is no evidence of actual physical infidelity. there's no crusading about sexual "morality" to indicate hypocrisy.

chances are, he was online late at night and sending sexual messages to women who would sext him back and he'd probably masturbate and go to bed next to his wife.

gee, no men ever do that.

the Democrats have ordered an ethics probe. what else is there to do?

INDY500 06-06-2011 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1131 (Post 7230126)
Too bad, he was a good speaker, and was priceless dealing with Fox News bimbos like Megyan Kelly in interviews, throwing their own BS back at them.

Bimbo is it? BS?

Guess it's impossible to be conservative, female AND intelligent huh?

Irvine511 06-06-2011 11:22 PM

i guess the bigger question is why do men with everything to lose do things like this?

deep 06-06-2011 11:28 PM

I thought Megyan Kelly was a Fox News Slut.

Irvine511 06-06-2011 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7230484)
Bimbo is it? BS?

Guess it's impossible to be conservative, female AND intelligent huh?



how intelligent could you be when you devote hours of programming to the Black Panthers and voter intimidation?

PhilsFan 06-06-2011 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7230484)
Bimbo is it? BS?

Guess it's impossible to be conservative, female AND intelligent huh?

Is she the one who claimed Fox News doesn't ever invoke Nazi comparisons?

deep 06-06-2011 11:35 PM

ok, a quick poll will settle this !




https://wherearemykeys.typepad.com/.a...64055df970b-pi




a. conservative, female AND intelligent

or
b. bimbo

please text your vote to:
#Weinerpoll

BVS 06-06-2011 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7230484)
Bimbo is it? BS?

Guess it's impossible to be conservative, female AND intelligent huh?

Bimbo, BS, chickification, mediababe... sounds more like Rush's languange eh?

And that was just Monday's selection. I've seen you defend those very same words tooth and nail. Hypocrisy sucks doesn't it?

PhilsFan 06-06-2011 11:36 PM

This thread title just took on a whole new meaning.

Canadiens1131 06-07-2011 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deep (Post 7230496)
ok, a quick poll will settle this !



a. conservative, female AND intelligent

or
b. bimbo

please text your vote to:
#Weinerpoll

This Weiner poll is pretty solid, we are getting a ton of buzz

Canadiens1131 06-07-2011 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7230484)
Bimbo is it? BS?

YouTube - ‪Morbo on the election‬‏
Heyyy look! It's your news cycle. So cuet.

solemole 06-07-2011 03:19 AM

Meh. Best Daily Show clip I can find on Youtube.

There is a warning... so, be warned...

YouTube - ‪Fox News Speaks for Majority on Health Care Reform?‬‏

Headache in a Suitcase 06-07-2011 07:30 AM

i guess this means 12 more years of bloomberg

kramwest1 06-07-2011 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511 (Post 7230471)
why? and i mean that as a serious question. i agree that he shouldn't have lied, but this was not a lie about a crime it was a lie about an embarrassing photo. he was also incredibly stupid, but does this affect how we see his political judgment or ability to lead? perhaps, but shouldn't that be decided by voters in the next election?

no one was harassed, everything was consensual. there is no evidence of actual physical infidelity. there's no crusading about sexual "morality" to indicate hypocrisy.

chances are, he was online late at night and sending sexual messages to women who would sext him back and he'd probably masturbate and go to bed next to his wife.

gee, no men ever do that.

the Democrats have ordered an ethics probe. what else is there to do?

I think the ethics probe will allow Weiner and the Dems to save some face, and he'll resign.


This morality arms race has been going on long enough. Everyone should know that the slightest indiscretion will lead to their ousting from office whether what they did was illegal or just really stupid.
I'm okay with it because as much as I like some politicians, I think there is always someone at least as qualified behind them in line.
It might not be right, it might not be fair, it might be ill-advised to continue these witch hunts because politicians are often cut from the same cloth, but ultimately I think purging is good and political turnover is great.

MrsSpringsteen 06-07-2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511 (Post 7230486)
i guess the bigger question is why do men with everything to lose do things like this?

Arrogance? They get so caught up in their own supposed power that they live in a completely insulated bubble where there aren't any real or imagined consequences.

He needed to do that in order to masturbate and then get in bed with his wife? Seriously? I mean to be blunt, can't you just do that without all those "extras"? I think it goes much deeper than that. The guy's got problems, and I don't think they're just sexual.

I consider that to be infidelity. Whether or not his wife does, that's her business. It's not even really the sexual aspects of it, it's the whole I'll create this entire false world for myself that my wife doesn't even know about. And I need all these other women to think I'm hot too and to affirm it for me..in such a bizarre and disconnected way. The way he had to mention that none of it ever got physical-does that really matter? What about what's going on in your head?

Not to mention the risk of it being a minor-as was mentioned in the press conference.

MrsSpringsteen 06-07-2011 08:49 AM

That must have been someone from the Howard Stern show yelling out that question at the end of the press conference. OMG. I never thought I'd hear THAT on CNN.


WASHINGTON (AP)—The conservative blogger who reported that a photo of a man's crotch had been sent from Rep. Anthony Weiner's Twitter account to a woman college student says he has an X-rated picture he'll publicize if the New York Democrat attempts reprisals against him.

Conservative activist Andrew Breitbart of the website BigGovernment.com tells NBC's "Today" show he considers the image "an insurance policy" against attacks from Weiner, who on Monday admitted the crotch photo was of him. The married Weiner also acknowledged he had engaged in inappropriate contact with six women over three years through social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook and occasionally over the phone.

Breitbart told NBC Tuesday that if Weiner wants to open himself to further investigation, "there are a lot of women" who could come forward. Asked directly if he considered the purported unpublicized picture an insurance policy, Breitbart replied, "I don't like to think of it that way."

Irvine511 06-07-2011 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen (Post 7230740)
Arrogance? They get so caught up in their own supposed power that they live in a completely insulated bubble where there aren't any real or imagined consequences.


on the flip side, could it be weakness? he knows he shouldn't, he knows he could get caught, but he keeps doing it anyway?

Quote:

He needed to do that in order to masturbate and then get in bed with his wife? Seriously? I mean to be blunt, can't you just do that without all those "extras"? I think it goes much deeper than that. The guy's got problems, and I don't think they're just sexual.

some of the other stuff that's out there that's supposedly written by him are fairly lengthy cyber-sex chats which i imagine were probably hotter to him than simple porn. this is a new area, this realm of virtual sex.



Quote:

I consider that to be infidelity. Whether or not his wife does, that's her business. It's not even really the sexual aspects of it, it's the whole I'll create this entire false world for myself that my wife doesn't even know about. And I need all these other women to think I'm hot too and to affirm it for me..in such a bizarre and disconnected way. The way he had to mention that none of it ever got physical-does that really matter? What about what's going on in your head?
that's why i'm wondering if it's more about weakness than arrogance, and i think the lack of physicality means that we're getting a glimpse of what goes on in his head when it comes to sexual fantasy. and for him, i'm sure he doesn't consider it "really" cheating because he did not have sex (presumably, but who knows) with other women. kind of like how Clinton said that oral sex wasn't "real" sex ... and i think Weiner's position is more defensible here.

not trying to defend Weiner, but i am very interested in how technology impacts people's sexual lives and their sexual fantasies.



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Not to mention the risk of it being a minor-as was mentioned in the press conference.

and that's a whole different story. if that becomes an issue then he's got big problems.

MrsSpringsteen 06-07-2011 09:04 AM

tmz.com

Congressman Anthony Weiner instructed one of his Internet women how to lie about their relationship ... and even offered PR help from his team, which could create major legal issues for him ... TMZ has learned.

Weiner and former porn star Ginger Lee exchanged scores of sexual emails over a long period of time. When the underwear scandal broke on May 28, Lee began receiving calls from the media, and Weiner was more than happy to help her control the situation ... by lying.

On June 2, Weiner emailed Lee, "Do you need to talk to a professional PR type person to give u advice? I can have someone on my team call. [Yeah, my team is doing great. Ugh]."

It's unclear if Weiner's PR team is from his Congressional staff. If so, Weiner could run afoul of House Ethics Rules as well as the law.

Weiner put on a full court press, urging Lee to lie about their relationship. On June 1, he emailed her: "The key is to have a short, thought out statement that tackles the top line questions and then refer people back to it. Have a couple of iterations of: 'This is silly. Like so many others, I follow Rep. Weiner on Twitter. I don't know him and have never met him. He briefly followed me and sent me a dm saying thank you for the follow. That's it.'"

Weiner suggested a nice touch -- some good ol' Southern charm: "And then maybe insert some y'alls in there."

On June 2, Weiner sent Lee a proposed statement she could give to the press: "I have nothing to do with the situation involving Rep Weiner. I follow his twitter feed. And for a brief time he followed me. Much has been made of the fact that I have posted about my admiration for Rep Weiner and his politics. All I can say about that is that I'm a fan of his. Rep. Weiner sent me one short direct message thanking me for following him. I have never met Rep. Weiner and he has never sent me anything innappopriate (sic) ..."

Weiner then asked Lee directly, "How's it [the proposed statement] feel?"

Tiger Edge 06-07-2011 09:24 AM

let's fire all the politicians who have ever had affairs. then it will be true anarchy. :up:

MrsSpringsteen 06-07-2011 09:28 AM

Or we'd just be left with female politicians. How come no female politicians are doing things like this? Or are they just not getting caught?


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