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Jive Turkey 03-09-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7484261)
Pointing out that; since she has the means to pay it would be wrong for her to expect others to purchase her contraception, ONLY if it was against their religious convictions = ignorant savagery

fixed that for you.

Now it fits in the thread too

MrsSpringsteen 03-10-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by maycocksean (Post 7484678)
Nope, that analogy doesn't fly here.
The story isn't about the appropriateness of taxpayer funded food assistance, it's about whether the woman was an appropriate recipient of that assistance. The PROBLEM is not the assistance but the person receiving it.

I think that's correct. But I guess birth control will literally be like a six degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon ( or Rush Limbaugh) now.

I'll have to check to see if Sandra Fluke is really secretly a millionaire college student expecting the govt to fund her slutty sex life. Someone should get on that case. I bet she gets food stamps too, Obama probably hooked her up with those after he called her.

anitram 03-10-2012 01:03 PM

I'm actually wondering whether some people here understand the concept of insurance at all.

We ALL pay for medications for people who could probably oftentimes afford it.

MrsSpringsteen 03-10-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 7485005)
We ALL pay for medications for people who could probably oftentimes afford it.

But they're not hos on our dime. And that would be just the women.

INDY500 03-10-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by maycocksean (Post 7484678)
Further, you have never argued that contraceptives should be made available only to those who can't afford it.

1) There's a myriad of services and agencies that provide contraceptives to women at no or little cost. The mandate was never about increasing accessibility.

2) The mandate isn't means tested. So the wives and daughters of "fat cat" bankers and Scarlett Johansson (i.e., the 1%) get free birth control pills too. I'll have to ask the guy working overnight at Circle K what he thinks about his paying for birth control for the rich.

PhilsFan 03-10-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7484261)
Pointing out that; since she has the means to pay it would be wrong for her to expect others to purchase her food. = The obvious

Pointing out that; since she has the means to pay it would be wrong for her to expect others to purchase her contraception, especially if it was against their religious convictions. = War on Women

Please. You know better. Now you're just trolling.

INDY500 03-10-2012 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 7485005)
I'm actually wondering whether some people here understand the concept of insurance at all.

We ALL pay for medications for people who could probably oftentimes afford it.

Were we ever mandated to do so before? My health insurance covers contraception and I'm perfectly fine with that even though I no longer use it.

This is about respecting the First Amendment and about allowing free enterprise to pass on "free" services as a cost containment strategy rather than being mandated by a heavy-handed government to do so.

We now return control of this thread to the rest of you.

PhilsFan 03-10-2012 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7485053)
1) There's a myriad of services and agencies that provide contraceptives to women at no or little cost. The mandate was never about increasing accessibility.

2) The mandate isn't means tested. So the wives and daughters of "fat cat" bankers and Scarlett Johansson (i.e., the 1%) get free birth control pills too. I'll have to ask the guy working overnight at Circle K what he thinks about his paying for birth control for the rich.

... But it's not about the fucking rich. Should I be pissed that cancer treatments are covered by insurance for Michael Douglas, since, hey, he can afford that?

INDY500 03-10-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey (Post 7484721)
fixed that for you.

Now it fits in the thread too

So... prior to ObamaCare and this HHS mandate, say 2009, we were living in "ignorant savagery"?

That's an interesting take.

PhilsFan 03-10-2012 03:52 PM

Allowing religion to dictate law is ignorant. This is not a Christian nation.

BVS 03-10-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

This is about respecting the First Amendment and about allowing free enterprise to pass on "free" services as a cost containment strategy rather than being mandated by a heavy-handed government to do so.

This is not a first amendment issue, anyone who frames it to be so doesn't understand the constitution and/ or healthcare.

sue4u2 03-11-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by INDY500 (Post 7485056)
Were we ever mandated to do so before? My health insurance covers contraception and I'm perfectly fine with that even though I no longer use it.

This is about respecting the First Amendment and about allowing free enterprise to pass on "free" services as a cost containment strategy rather than being mandated by a heavy-handed government to do so.

We now return control of this thread to the rest of you.


Why wouldn't anyone want birth control to be covered? While viagra may help ED, Its effects are felt primarily by the individual drug user (and, perhaps, his partner). By contrast, contraceptive care provides individual women with a great modicum of reproductive control, and allows a greater chance at economic independence (young and low-income heterosexual women denied access to contraception are far more likely to be forced into public assistance and/or poverty than those to whom this basic health care requirement is attainable).
Every public dollar spent on contraceptive services prevents $4 in public expenditures on unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. Every dose of Viagra subsidized by private or governmental insurers saves men from sexual frustration and… drumroll, please… the embarrassment of hearing their wives and girlfriends say, "That’s OK, honey, it happens to every guy, once in a while."
The purpose of this program was to provide a service that would benefit society and not a mandate or force anyone to do anything against their religion. That just came about from persons wanting to make it political. Now it probably won't happen so we stay mired in the rhetoric.

Diemen 03-11-2012 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sue4u2
Every public dollar spent on contraceptive services prevents $4 in public expenditures on unwanted or unplanned pregnancies.

I'm curious what your source for that statistic is. And if it's true, I'm wondering why this hasn't been trumpeted left and right for being a fiscally responsible measure.

Indy, if the above stat is true, would that shift you thoughts on the issue at all?

INDY500 03-11-2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Diemen (Post 7485352)
I'm curious what your source for that statistic is. And if it's true, I'm wondering why this hasn't been trumpeted left and right for being a fiscally responsible measure.

Indy, if the above stat is true, would that shift you thoughts on the issue at all?

Can we continue this in the health care mandate thread?

I'll wait for more info on that stat and on whether "contraceptive services" includes abortion?

Pearl 03-12-2012 07:02 PM

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tudents and staff at a high school in Dunkerton, Ia., were shocked when an assembly intended to address drug and bullying issues instead featured anti-gay messages that offended many students, staff and parents, the Lacrosse Tribune reports.


"They told these kids that anyone who was gay was going to die at the age of 42," parent Jennifer Littlefield told the Lacrosse Tribune. "It just blows me away that no one stopped this."
The group also told students that girls who aren't virgins at their weddings will have mud on their dresses, according to the paper.


Junkyard Prophet, the Minnesota-based traveling band that was brought to Dunkerton High School to discuss practices for good decision making, is part of the You Can Run But You Cannot Hide Christian youth ministry that holds assemblies in public schools.
Twin sisters Brandi and Randi Smith, told the Waterloo Cedar Falls Courier that, while they consider themselves to be Christian, they don't believe a performance like that should take place at a school -- and that student interaction has changed drastically since the incident.
"The whole school's like way tense," Brandi told the paper. "No one's getting along any more."
Students have since started a petition urging school officials not to allow similar performances in the future, according to the Courier.
Superintendent Jim Stanton told the Lacrosse Tribune that the group received good feedback when they performed at the school in the past, and that they must have changed their message since then.
Stanton told Talking Points Memo that Dunkerton High School now has an "action plan" that will make sure all performers are properly screened before taking the school stage in the future and that counseling is being offered to students who may have felt ostracized by the performance.
“We’ve learned from this,” Stanton told TPM. “It will never happen again.”
'Junkyard Prophet' Shocks Iowa School With Anti-Gay Messages At Assembly (VIDEO)

I would have put this in the same sex marriage thread, but the mention of how this group views women who don't save sex for marriage made me put this posting here.

Seriously, how disgusting is this band? And what exactly was the school thinking when they brought them there? They might as well have Neo-Nazis come speak at their school. And how come no one did any research on Junkyard Prophet? I wouldn't be surprised if this was done on purpose. That, or the lack of responsibility is appalling.

ETA: the leader of Junkyard Prophet - Bradlee Dean - has been known for making anti-gay statements for a while now, not just at public schools.

Moonlit_Angel 03-12-2012 07:43 PM

Um, yeah, I'd like to know how the hell this got okayed, too, and who okayed it (and what the hell does gay marriage or premarital sex have to do with drugs and bullying?).

I'm glad to know that many parents and students objected to the message, though. That's certainly reassuring.

PhilsFan 03-12-2012 10:12 PM

I'm more offended by the parents who named their twin daughters Brandi and Randi.

yolland 03-13-2012 12:13 AM

"Mud on their dress"? Is this some euphemism I've never heard before?

Moonlit_Angel 03-13-2012 01:08 AM

I wondered about that, too. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

MrsSpringsteen 03-13-2012 12:14 PM

Huffington Post

This basketball dad was apparently trying a little too hard to "Be Like Mike" -- Mike Tyson, that is.

Massachusetts dad Timothy Forbes, 34, allegedly went berserk Friday when his 6th-grade son's basketball team lost a game. Police say he attacked the winning team's coach and bit off part of his ear, according to USA Today.

The unidentified coach was rushed to the hospital where his ear was surgically reattached.

When the game ended -- at Holy Name School in Springfield -- Forbes allegedly barreled through several 10- to 12-year-old kids before he made it to the coach.

"During the brief but violent assault assault, part of the coach's [left] ear was bitten off," Police Sgt. John Delaney told The Republican.

Other parents reportedly tried to pull Forbes off the coach, but the alleged assailant fled before cops arrived. Forbes turned himself in at the Springfield courthouse on Monday and pleaded not guilty to disorderly conduct, assault and battery, felony mayhem and other charges.


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