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kramwest1 10-04-2010 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 6979199)
I commend them for this view.

If you believe that life begins at conception and abortion is sin, and that is a child who is innocent and has done no wrong, then it is not that child's fault that it came into this world through violence. I never understood the carve-out for cases of rape - after all, this argument is always framed in terms of the child and not the mother, so who cares about her emotional status. As they say, she can give the baby up for adoption.

:up:

Great. Let's make sure we get all sins covered by our judicial code.

I hope Republicans take up the deserving legal matter of having sex with a woman during her menstrual period.

:shrug:

anitram 10-04-2010 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kramwest1 (Post 6979204)
Great. Let's make sure we get all sins covered by our judicial code.

I hope Republicans take up the deserving legal matter of having sex with a woman during her menstrual period.

:shrug:

Hey, it's not my position that abortion should be criminalized.

I am just saying that for those who are staunchly pro-life, it is a more intellectually honest view that abortion is wrong in all cases than to create a carve-out for rape. It's either murder or it ain't.

kramwest1 10-05-2010 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 6979227)
Hey, it's not my position that abortion should be criminalized.

I am just saying that for those who are staunchly pro-life, it is a more intellectually honest view that abortion is wrong in all cases than to create a carve-out for rape. It's either murder or it ain't.

Fair enough. I should have read that into your post.

It does scare the shit out of me when any politician says that bible is the word of God and should be the law. --Bring on Leviticus! I'm not a shellfish fan anyway. (Not that abortion or conception are in the bible)


Consistent views from politicians? Republicans? :lol:

I respect the several Catholics I know that are consistent on death issues--no abortion, no death penalty, only retaliatory war.
I don't agree, but I respect their consistency, like you said.

deep 10-06-2010 02:31 AM

DeMint takes heat for gays, unwed moms comment – CNN

DeMint is the Tea Party king (and in some cases queen) maker.

Moonlit_Angel 10-06-2010 02:41 AM

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"(When I said those things,) no one came to my defense," he said, according to the Spartanburg Herald-Journal. "But everyone would come to me and whisper that I shouldn't back down. They don't want government purging their rights and their freedom to religion.
:confused: And allowing unwed mothers and gays to teach at school would threaten this...how?

Regardless of what he "meant" by that comment, nobody's coming to his defense because there's nothing defensible about such a remark. In any context, it's still incredibly stupid and nonsensical.

Angela

kramwest1 10-06-2010 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by deep (Post 6980667)
DeMint takes heat for gays, unwed moms comment – CNN

DeMint is the Tea Party king (and in some cases queen) maker.

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Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel (Post 6980675)
:confused: And allowing unwed mothers and gays to teach at school would threaten this...how?

Regardless of what he "meant" by that comment, nobody's coming to his defense because there's nothing defensible about such a remark. In any context, it's still incredibly stupid and nonsensical.

Angela

And yet he'll be reelected over and over again because we don't have term limits, and those of us in states with high voter turn-out and elected official turnover are subjected to the morons from states with low voter turn-out and a relatively uneducated electorate.

I know a lot of people argue that term limits don't matter because if the voters wanted, they can vote them out. But, it does matter because of seniority and committee chairpersonships. Again, all of America is subjected to these idiots that are voted in by a few, and then they hold on to their power. The longer you have been in office, the more likely you are to remain in office.

The senate is a low-turnover, exclusive club where small population states overrule larger population states. And, the house is where America is underrepresented. The constitution originally stated that there should be one rep per 30,000 people. But, here we are with a modern population that grows and moves between censuses and a cap on the house membership at 435. The result is some cases where a house rep has a population of up to 750,000 under them.

:banghead:

Diemen 10-06-2010 07:31 AM

DeMint is also a product of the wacky religious C Street Family, so stupid comments like that aren't too surprising.

Achtung11 10-06-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 6979227)
Hey, it's not my position that abortion should be criminalized.

I am just saying that for those who are staunchly pro-life, it is a more intellectually honest view that abortion is wrong in all cases than to create a carve-out for rape. It's either murder or it ain't.

I understand what you're saying. I'm pro-life and the rape issue troubles me because its such a moral dilemna. Either the child dies, or the the mother has to suffer physical pain of 9 months of pregnancy + delivery, and the obvious emotional pain which comes from not having chosen to be in the situation, which is probably worse than the physical pain. Its not the baby's fault, so why should it suffer, but its not the mother's fault either.

We can obviously say that aborting the baby is the greater of the two evils, and therefore the mother should be forced to remain pregnant and go through with the delivery, but that really isn't fair. Being forced to carry a rapist's baby, make lifestyle changes, going through with the delivery, and the psychological damage that occurs in the process may not be bad as death, or may even be worse, depending on the case.

Given all of this, I am not pro-life when it comes to rape. My reason for this is that the baby is not the responsibility of the mother, because I don't consider it the mother's baby at all (even though its genes are 50% of the mother's), so the woman shouldn't be held responsible for the child. Yes, unfortunately, we would be aborting an innocent life, but I see no way out. It really is a lose-lose.

MrsSpringsteen 10-06-2010 07:09 PM

By BRIAN BAKST, Associated Press Writer

MINNEAPOLIS – Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is advising Republican candidates on November's ballots to frame the choice for voters between Democrats as "the party of food stamps" while selling the GOP as "the party of paychecks."

With a month to go before the election, Gingrich brought his branding effort to Minnesota on Wednesday. He raised money for Republican gubernatorial nominee Tom Emmer and the state GOP during a private fundraiser.

He told reporters later that Republicans can campaign as the party of opportunity.

"Most Americans would like to get a paycheck," Gingrich said. "Most Americans would not like to be forced to have food stamps handed out by liberal Democrats."

Gingrich is considering a run for president in 2012 and is about to head off on a 12-city "Jobs Here, Jobs Now" tour with stops in South Carolina, Georgia, Iowa and Wisconsin, among other places.

Gingrich this week distributed a memo to Republican hopefuls saying they should use the final month to stress tax and spending cuts as a way to spur job growth while attacking Democratic policies as detrimental that effort.

He blamed policies by a Democratic Congress and President Barack Obama's administration for pushing the number of people receiving food stamps to historic highs. U.S. Department of Agriculture Data show 41.8 million people were on government nutrition assistance programs in July, up from about 32 million when Obama took office.

"It's perfectly fair to say they are earning the title of the party of food stamps," he said. "By contrast, we have historically since Ronald Reagan of 1980 been the party of job creation."

Hari Sevugan, press secretary for the Democratic National Committee, said Democrats are pulling the country "out of the deep ditch" the current administration inherited from a Republican White House.

"Under Republican economic policies, nearly 800,000 Americans lost their job every month," Sevugan said. "Under Democratic economic policies, we are adding jobs every month. That's the choice."

Moonlit_Angel 10-06-2010 07:52 PM

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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is advising Republican candidates on November's ballots to frame the choice for voters between Democrats as "the party of food stamps" while selling the GOP as "the party of paychecks."

He told reporters later that Republicans can campaign as the party of opportunity.

"Most Americans would like to get a paycheck," Gingrich said. "Most Americans would not like to be forced to have food stamps handed out by liberal Democrats."
Uh...wow. Really? This is the argument you're going to go with?

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"By contrast, we have historically since Ronald Reagan of 1980 been the party of job creation."
Boy, between this and his statement that the GOP is the "party of opportunity" I'm thinking he should go into the comedy business. That's some funny stuff.

Idiot. I'm so thrilled to hear he'll be working his way through my state. Yippie skippy :rolleyes:.

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Originally Posted by kramwest1 (Post 6980808)
And yet he'll be reelected over and over again because we don't have term limits, and those of us in states with high voter turn-out and elected official turnover are subjected to the morons from states with low voter turn-out and a relatively uneducated electorate.

I know a lot of people argue that term limits don't matter because if the voters wanted, they can vote them out. But, it does matter because of seniority and committee chairpersonships. Again, all of America is subjected to these idiots that are voted in by a few, and then they hold on to their power. The longer you have been in office, the more likely you are to remain in office.

A. Men. Thank you, thank you, thank you. That's what I was kinda getting at before in the one discussion where I talked about how young people can't relate because of all the "older" generations. I really should've just said that no matter the age of the person in Congress (though I still say that is a factor in who votes most often and how), we definitely have way too many people who've been there FAR longer than they really need to be.

And when you don't really have any awe-inspiring alternatives to the DeMints of the world, naturally the DeMints will keep winning. I mean, I'd definitely vote for the other candidate or write in my own instead of vote for DeMint if I lived in that state, but most people won't. And that's depressing.

Yes. I'm definitely interested in the concept of enforcing term limits for Congress. We do it for the president, after all.

(And for those out there in the Tea Party and whatnot who keep quoting the statement about us "needing a revolution every 20 years", I suspect this is the kind of revolution that was being suggested. Not a violent one)

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Originally Posted by kramwest1 (Post 6980808)
The senate is a low-turnover, exclusive club where small population states overrule larger population states. And, the house is where America is underrepresented. The constitution originally stated that there should be one rep per 30,000 people. But, here we are with a modern population that grows and moves between censuses and a cap on the house membership at 435. The result is some cases where a house rep has a population of up to 750,000 under them.

:banghead:

Mmhm. When this system was set up, nobody forsaw the country growing to the size it has. It may have made sense then, but maybe it's time for some changes to the setup now.

Angela

martha 10-06-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Achtung11 (Post 6981344)
Given all of this, I am not pro-life when it comes to rape.

I know this isn't the thread, but I have to ask: Tell me how this works in real life situations. How do you make the exception when abortion is criminalized?

KhanadaRhodes 10-06-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel (Post 6981848)
Uh...wow. Really? This is the argument you're going to go with?

i know, right? i think they realise they just don't have to try anymore. just spit out complete bullshit like that and you'll get uneducated people heading to the polls in droves going HURP DURP DON'T WANT NO FOOD STAMPS.

Diemen 10-06-2010 10:31 PM

Perhaps it's just because I wasn't as politically aware when Clinton was in office, but Newt Gingrich seems to have gone off the deep end in the last few years.

martha 10-06-2010 11:19 PM

He's always been this dangerous and crazy.

Moonlit_Angel 10-06-2010 11:24 PM

I seem to recall some comment from him a number of years ago where he was trying to argue why women shouldn't be in the military, something about infections and I think he might've been trying to tie it to their "cycles" or something like that (could be wrong on that part of it all, though). 'Cause, you know, Newt would know my body and my abilities better than I would, after all.

Yeah, he's always come off to me as a dipwad.

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Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes (Post 6982035)
i know, right? i think they realise they just don't have to try anymore. just spit out complete bullshit like that and you'll get uneducated people heading to the polls in droves going HURP DURP DON'T WANT NO FOOD STAMPS.

Pretty much, but why would they bother trying, really, when stupid comments like that work seem to work for them just fine in the end anyway? I don't know what else we can possibly do to tell people to stop following this insane thought process. Do we have to get a megaphone and scream it from the rooftops or what?

Angela

kramwest1 10-07-2010 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Diemen (Post 6982229)
Perhaps it's just because I wasn't as politically aware when Clinton was in office, but Newt Gingrich seems to have gone off the deep end in the last few years.

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Originally Posted by martha (Post 6982360)
He's always been this dangerous and crazy.

What drives me crazy about Newt is that he is smarter than all of that.
He is not dumb or ignorant. Which, if you are smart and still spew the crap that he does (and I agree especially as of late), then you are evil and manipulative.

Diemen 10-07-2010 07:45 AM

Oh, the Palins...

https://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l6...970c-550wi.jpg
https://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l6...970b-550wi.jpg

Looks like Sarah's a little upset that Joe Miller likes to at least think about the endorsements he makes. Poor woman spent "all morning" working on a Facebook post! :sad:

anitram 10-07-2010 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Diemen (Post 6982619)
Poor woman spent "all morning" working on a Facebook post! :sad:

Presidents have to work very hard, she has a great ethic already. :up:

martha 10-07-2010 08:41 AM

And the plural apostrophe. :crack:

Achtung11 10-07-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by martha (Post 6982034)
I know this isn't the thread, but I have to ask: Tell me how this works in real life situations. How do you make the exception when abortion is criminalized?

I'm sorry, I don't understand your question, please rephrase.


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