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the iron horse 09-15-2010 09:57 PM

'Gone Old Party'
 
As a libertarian, I hope this trend continues in the U.S.

In Delaware, frustration with Republican Party led to Christine O'Donnell's win

anitram 09-15-2010 10:25 PM

Are libertarians taking a stand against masturbation these days?

BVS 09-15-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by the iron horse (Post 6949305)
As a libertarian, I hope this trend continues in the U.S.

In Delaware, frustration with Republican Party led to Christine O'Donnell's win

You hope more half wit loons win nominations?

Why?

the iron horse 09-15-2010 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS (Post 6949389)
You hope more half wit loons win nominations?

Why?




What is your definition of a half wit loon?

BVS 09-15-2010 11:35 PM

Someone who says they want to uphold the Constitution yet doesn't understand separation of church and state and lobbied for "biblical principles to issues of public policy".

Someone who wants to force women to carry to term even in case of rape.

Someone who wants to preach against masturbation.

Someone who speaks out against frivolous litigiousness yet sued for 6.9 million in a wrongful termination suit, where she was only employed less than a year and then lied about the circumstances.

This is who you want?

Shall I go on, or does she qualify under your definition as well?

BVS 09-15-2010 11:55 PM

Why does the Tea Party celebrate such things? Can someone explain?

PhilsFan 09-16-2010 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BVS (Post 6949429)
Why does the Tea Party celebrate such things? Can someone explain?

The Tea Party doesn't celebrate much of what you say. The Tea Party is unaware of much of what you say. I think that's pretty evident.

The Tea Party does support the Bible thing, though.

vaz02 09-16-2010 08:42 AM

Tea Party faction = The American Taliban ?

financeguy 09-16-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by the iron horse (Post 6949305)
As a libertarian, I hope this trend continues in the U.S.

In Delaware, frustration with Republican Party led to Christine O'Donnell's win

Libertarianism is apparently a broad church. I consider myself libertarian on some issues but if I was posting this thread it would have been entitled something like "GOP nut thinks wanking equals adultery".

I'd really love to hear how it is you think Christine O'Donnell's win advances libertarian principles.

Now if you'd excuse me I'm off to toss one off.

Pearl 09-16-2010 08:03 PM

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For O’Donnell, such gay-baiting was very much in character. Toward the end of the Clinton administration, she protested the appointment of James Hormel to be ambassador to Luxembourg, a posting the religious right opposed because Hormel was gay. “The SALT was concerned about Hormel’s ties to the pedophile-rights movement,” her website said, though there was not a shred of evidence behind the slur. In 1997, in a clip recently unearthed by Talking Points Memo, she appeared on C-SPAN, where, looking fresh, lovely, and innocent, she objected to AIDS sufferers being called “victims” because the disease is the product of their own actions. In an appearance on Fox in 2000, she exclaimed over the horrors of New York’s gay pride parade: “They’re getting away with nudity! They’re getting away with lasciviousness! They’re getting away with perversion!”

O’Donnell’s demonization of gay people is especially striking given the fact that, according to Richards, she has a sister who is openly lesbian. Indeed, it was meeting her sister, he says, that helped him begin to accept his own sexuality. “What helped me really come to grips was that her sister is an open lesbian and was living in L.A. and was in a long-term relationship and was working with a youth organization,” he says. “By hanging out with her, I saw, wow, she has a pretty normal life.” Being gay, he started to realize, needn’t condemn him to a life of seedy anonymous hookups, drug abuse, and nihilism.

Christine O’Donnell’s Gay Former Aide Speaks Out - The Daily Beast

Christine O'Donnell is ignorant, uneducated and dangerous. It will be a sad day in America if she becomes Senator of Delaware.

the iron horse 09-16-2010 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearl (Post 6950431)
Christine O’Donnell’s Gay Former Aide Speaks Out - The Daily Beast

Christine O'Donnell is ignorant, uneducated and dangerous. It will be a sad day in America if she becomes Senator of Delaware.



And a growing all reaching increasingly intrusive federal government is not?

My thoughts on her victory were not about her, but about the principles of less big government, more liberty that she say she supports.

If she's like me, she is far from perfect and flawed.

Pearl 09-16-2010 09:21 PM

When you say liberty, do you also mean telling people how to live their lives in terms of sexual orientation? Or sexual activity?

She'll probably push for abstinence in schools and vote against same-sex marriage. That doesn't sound like liberty or small government to me.

PhilsFan 09-16-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the iron horse (Post 6950458)
And a growing all reaching increasingly intrusive federal government is not?

My thoughts on her victory were not about her, but about the principles of less big government, more liberty that she say she supports.

If she's like me, she is far from perfect and flawed.

She's just saying big government. Literally. She's just using it as a buzzword so sheep will follow. You're falling right in line.

You do realize being anti-gay rights is pro-big government, don't you?

the iron horse 09-16-2010 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilsFan (Post 6950534)
She's just saying big government. Literally. She's just using it as a buzzword so sheep will follow. You're falling right in line.

You do realize being anti-gay rights is pro-big government, don't you?


Buzz word and the the sheep will follow?

So, I'm falling right in line?

Who are the blind sheep here?

I guess it's me or is it?

I don't know, I'm just the stupid libertarian:wave

maycocksean 09-16-2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the iron horse (Post 6950458)
And a growing all reaching increasingly intrusive federal government is not?


I'm growing so tired of this trope.

Can someone explain to me exactly how the government has become so all-reaching and intrusive?

I didn't think so. It's fearmongering, plain and simple.

I mean, come on "ObamaCare!!!" No one's been able to credibly explain how these tepid health reform measures are going to "take away our freedom."

The "DEFICIT". Sorry my bullshit detector starts screaming when I hear people wringing their hands about something as arcane as the federal deficit. Which is not to say that it's a serious issue--I'm sure it is. I'm just saying most ordinarily people probably can't articulate why it's serious. If we're being the honest the real upset is over WHO is raising the deficit and the reasons for which it's being done--because we started spending more than we had long before this administration came into power--it's just that people hollering now didn't have a problem with the guy before doing the spending or what he was spending the money on. And let's be honest if we're really serious about reducing the deficit we've got to BOTH cut spending AND raise taxes (or at the very least not cut them any further). But who would vote for that?

and oh no the "bailouts!" The idiocy of this country sometimes just boggles the mind. Most people are mad about the bailouts because of an emotional sense of "unfairness" rather than a practical and informed understanding of our financial system.

It is truly sad that reasonable conservatives are being drowned out by this rabble.

maycocksean 09-16-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by the iron horse (Post 6950578)
Buzz word and the the sheep will follow?

So, I'm falling right in line?

Who are the blind sheep here?

I guess it's me or is it?

I don't know, I'm just the stupid libertarian:wave

IH, if you're not a blind sheep, prove it. Make a credible case for the growing reach of the all-intrusive federal government.

the iron horse 09-16-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by maycocksean (Post 6950588)
IH, if you're not a blind sheep, prove it. Make a credible case for the growing reach of the all-intrusive federal government.



OK, here's one (just for fries)

Next, Michelle Obama's health reform plan for the nation's restaurant menus and families dining out | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

maycocksean 09-16-2010 10:42 PM

With all due respect, perhaps I wasn't clear enough:

A CREDIBLE case please.

An snarky opinion column with an unflattering picture of Michelle Obama? You'll have to do better than that.

the iron horse 09-16-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by maycocksean (Post 6950614)
With all due respect, perhaps I wasn't clear enough:

A CREDIBLE case please.

An snarky opinion column with an unflattering picture of Michelle Obama? You'll have to do better than that.


Snarky?

I have to do better?

Did you actually read the article?

Please quote from the article and state why you agree the federal government should be Big Brother (The Food Police)

BVS 09-16-2010 11:11 PM

You don't get that that's an opinion column with an agenda?

You don't seem to like real news with facts.

Tell maycocksean how the food police has stopped you from eating what you want.

Please inform us.


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