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Varitek 11-04-2008 06:14 PM

2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread 12: T=zero
 
Here we are, at last, with the first polls closing within the hour.

financeguy 11-04-2008 06:15 PM

Barack Obama as a Ruling Class Candidate



Quote:

........But, as The New York Times' editors certainly know, "they" still "put in who they want to put in" to no small extent. The predominantly white U.S. business and political establishment still makes sure that nobody who questions dominant domestic and imperial hierarchies and doctrines can make a serious ("viable") run for higher office - the presidency, above all. It does this by denying adequate campaign funding (absolutely essential to success in an age of super-expensive, media-driven campaigns) and favorable media treatment (without which a successful campaign is unimaginable at the current stage of corporate media consolidation and power) to candidates who step beyond the narrow boundaries of elite opinion. Thanks to these critical electoral filters and to the legally mandated U.S. winner-take-all "two party" system [2], a candidate who even remotely questions corporate and imperial power is not permitted to make a strong bid for the presidency.

Barack Obama is no exception to the rule. Anyone who thinks he could have risen to power without prior and ongoing ruling class approval is living in a dream world......."



.....Such is the dark authoritarian reality lurking behind the pride and excitement felt by Deddrick Battle and many other poor and black voters who have been inspired by the Obama phenomenon to think that "politics is for them too." President Obama can be counted on to use their new faith in reactionary and imperial ways reflecting hidden allegiance to the timeworn elite principle that really big matters of politics and policy are for the rich and powerful - not ordinary citizens - at the end of the day Obama's job is to keep the restless poor, working class, and global Many safely pacified while serving the needs of the wealthy and imperial Few. It's a deadly juggling act that could have terrible consequences. How long he can maintain the illusion of serving the interests of the people and the elite at one and the same time is an open question......
https://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/19343

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:15 PM

Perfect timing for a new thread!

Varitek 11-04-2008 06:18 PM

SurveyUSA Blog Archive McCain 510 Electoral Votes, Obama 28 … How the Map Looked Exactly 2 Years Ago

Look how far we've come.

indra 11-04-2008 06:18 PM

Got my munchies. Wearing my comfy (embarrassingly ugly, but comfy) clothes. Now bring on the returns!!!! :D

Varitek 11-04-2008 06:19 PM

And I dunno if anyone posted this in the last thread, but I am enjoying watching this:

ELECTION DAY 08 - What One Word Describes Your Current State of Mind? - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com

VintagePunk 11-04-2008 06:20 PM

Oh god, numbers are coming in... :sick:

Dalton 11-04-2008 06:23 PM

What are the numbers saying, VP?

Dalton 11-04-2008 06:23 PM

Tech - let me know when 'horny' goes by.

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton (Post 5587107)
What are the numbers saying, VP?

Numbers don't talk. :tsk:

Dalton 11-04-2008 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corianderstem (Post 5587110)
Numbers don't talk. :tsk:

Damn you ...

namkcuR 11-04-2008 06:25 PM

This is it! The Official 2008 US Presidential Election Results Thread!

After the falls of Hilary Clinton, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Mitt Romney, Rudy Guiliani, Fred Thompson, Ron Paul, and others...

Nearly two years, 49 debates, one epic head-to-head six-month long primary, two conventions, and endless hours and hours and days and days and months and months and years of debate later...

it all comes down to this...

VintagePunk 11-04-2008 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton (Post 5587107)
What are the numbers saying, VP?

They're saying "VP, we're only Kentucky numbers, don't throw up."

Dalton 11-04-2008 06:29 PM

Dammit, I want to go to bed early with a big smile on my face.

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:30 PM

Okay, I just started getting nervous, and went from 0 to 60 on the nervous scale in no time flat. It's only 3:30 here. I may need to start drinking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton (Post 5587141)
Dammit, I want to go to bed early with a big smile on my face.

Do need the number for your local escort service?

VintagePunk 11-04-2008 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton (Post 5587141)
Dammit, I want to go to bed early with a big smile on my face.



Eh. I have a feeling it'll be called early. He wins Pennsylvania and Virginia, which I expect him to, and he's won.

namkcuR 11-04-2008 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintagePunk (Post 5587151)
Eh. I have a feeling it'll be called early. He wins Pennsylvania and Virginia, which I expect him to, and he's won.

No rationality allowed! It's more fun when everyone's a nervous wreck!

:mad: :wink:

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:33 PM

:madwife:

U2Fanatic4ever 11-04-2008 06:33 PM

*hands barfbag to Veep just in case*^

Zoots 11-04-2008 06:33 PM

Forgive me if this has been discussed before. But did you guys see CNN's Rick Sanchez talking to "Joe the plumber" earlier in the evening? I was laughing at how the guy couldn't even explain his stance properly. He basically told Rick to go look up the word "principles". Yeah nice answer, Joe! :rolleyes:

Lila64 11-04-2008 06:34 PM

https://www.irontrybe.com/forum/image...es/cowbell.gif

I had the TV during lunch, and CNN I think (some news channel) was cutting to Joe the Plumber, and I promptly changed the station :happy:

U2Fanatic4ever 11-04-2008 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by namkcuR (Post 5587157)
No rationality allowed! It's more fun when everyone's a nervous wreck!

:mad: :wink:

:D



<a major nervous wreck.... someone stop me from chewing my nails...:sad:

VintagePunk 11-04-2008 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by namkcuR (Post 5587157)
No rationality allowed! It's more fun when everyone's a nervous wreck!

:mad: :wink:

lol


Sadly, I don't think celebratory booze is in the cards for me tonight. I've felt like crap all day. :(

martha 11-04-2008 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintagePunk (Post 5587151)
Eh. I have a feeling it'll be called early.

Better not be. :mad:

We still have some shit to settle out here.

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by U2Fanatic4ever (Post 5587166)
.... someone stop me from chewing my nails...:sad:

: takes hand, slaps fingers :

Bad girl! Stop that!

dazzledbylight 11-04-2008 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOFO
WHERE R DA REZULTZ1111>>>???
JOFO's a little nervous & excited......

me?

some quiet confidence ( no appropriate :smiley: )






Quote:

Originally Posted by martha
I'm proudly wearing my "I Voted" sticker.

And, just in case, I put on my Tibetan prayer wheel jewelry today. Just in case.
I HAZN'T GOT NOZ STIKER!

oh....prayerwheel jewely!!! :heart:

I wore specially (recently bought, too) for luck & power--
West-ish Asia stamped metal square with dangles ,and pieces of inlaid glas & glass beads....
:love::drool::love:

I didn't realize the New Thread had started so I carried these over :)

U2Fanatic4ever 11-04-2008 06:37 PM

^thanks.. :D


my nails look like hell tho... :reject: no thanks to the presidential election..

dazzledbylight 11-04-2008 06:38 PM

VP!!
*clings to Canadian pal*

:yikes: :hyper:

:wink:

VintagePunk 11-04-2008 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazzledbylight (Post 5587180)
VP!!
*clings to Canadian pal*

:yikes: :hyper:

:wink:

Aw, it'll be okay. :)


Martha, are you concerned that if it's called too early, people won't go out to vote on prop 8?

ntalwar 11-04-2008 06:39 PM

Va. polls close in 20 minutes. If Obama takes Va., he wins it IMO :up:.

dazzledbylight 11-04-2008 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corianderstem (Post 5587149)
Okay, I just started getting nervous, and went from 0 to 60 on the nervous scale in no time flat. It's only 3:30 here. I may need to start drinking.

:hug:

:beer: :beer:

maycocksean 11-04-2008 06:40 PM

Anybody else have trouble getting in to Interference today? I finally had to do a Google search for the site. The first listing didn't work--same internal error message--but the second one got me in. The same thing happened at my home and work computer.

I was worried I was going to miss the election on FYM!

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:41 PM

There are a few posts elsewhere on the forum asking the same thing, sean. It's not just you.

dazzledbylight 11-04-2008 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintagePunk (Post 5587167)
lol
Sadly, I don't think celebratory booze is in the cards for me tonight. I've felt like crap all day. :(

:( :hug::hug:

feel better, hon!

BoMac 11-04-2008 06:41 PM

I think it's absurd that results are trickling in while polls are still open. It's beyond ridiculous. In Canada, a law was passed a few years ago that forbade networks from announcing results until the last poll on the West Coast closed.

VintagePunk 11-04-2008 06:41 PM

All last night I kept thinking to myself "if I leave now, I can be in Chicago by midday tomorrow..."

Alas, I'm not that wild and crazy.


Love your sig, Cori!

ntalwar 11-04-2008 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoMac (Post 5587197)
I think it's absurd that results are trickling in while polls are still open. It's beyond ridiculous. In Canada, a law was passed a few years ago that forbade networks from announcing results until the last poll on the West Coast closed.

Not sure how it works in Canada - in the US it is 50 separate contests.

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:43 PM

I think so, too. Or at least most of the polls. If they waited until all 50 states closed the polls, I think Alaska is the last, that would make it 1:00 am on the east coast.

I would hope most people on the west coast who haven't voted by this point a) already firmly know who they're voting for; and/or b) have enough common sense to know that the numbers reported so far are less than 1% of the votes and shouldn't dissuade them from voting because their guy is winning or losing already.

martha 11-04-2008 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintagePunk (Post 5587185)

Martha, are you concerned that if it's called too early, people won't go out to vote on prop 8?

Exactly. We've got another anti-choice prop to vote down as well. Yes, the same damn one which was voted down a few years ago. :|

financeguy 11-04-2008 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoMac (Post 5587197)
I think it's absurd that results are trickling in while polls are still open. It's beyond ridiculous. In Canada, a law was passed a few years ago that forbade networks from announcing results until the last poll on the West Coast closed.

Yeah I find this strange as well. In Ireland election results are not released until the following day.

It's still not even early evening West Coast, as Cori said.

VintagePunk 11-04-2008 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoMac (Post 5587197)
I think it's absurd that results are trickling in while polls are still open. It's beyond ridiculous. In Canada, a law was passed a few years ago that forbade networks from announcing results until the last poll on the West Coast closed.

Well, not really. Local/provincial polls can be announced when they close, there's just a news blackout in western time zones.

martha 11-04-2008 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corianderstem (Post 5587205)
I would hope most people on the west coast who haven't voted by this point a) already firmly know who they're voting for; and/or b) have enough common sense to know that the numbers reported so far are less than 1% of the votes and shouldn't dissuade them from voting because their guy is winning or losing already.


One would hope, but...

dazzledbylight 11-04-2008 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maycocksean (Post 5587191)
Anybody else have trouble getting in to Interference today? I finally had to do a Google search for the site. The first listing didn't work--same internal error message--but the second one got me in. The same thing happened at my home and work computer.

I was worried I was going to miss the election on FYM!


OMFG!!
yes I did TOO.... around 4:45 - 5:50P-- I kept refreshing the page all I got was the Url in site positionand and a white page WTF:HUH: ??!!!

finally I thot to click on the sub-link "community" and that got me in! :heart:

martha 11-04-2008 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintagePunk (Post 5587210)
Well, not really. Local/provincial polls can be announced when they close, there's just a news blackout in western time zones.


I like this idea.

BoMac 11-04-2008 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntalwar (Post 5587203)
Not sure how it works in Canada - in the US it is 50 separate contests.

That may be the case, but if voters in the West see that a particular candidate is winning, it may influence their vote or not motivate them to vote at all.

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:45 PM

That's the exact argument I keep hearing against the nonstop TV coverage.

U2Fanatic4ever 11-04-2008 06:45 PM

ugh.. i dont like those numbers for kentucky damn it...:grumpy:

corianderstem 11-04-2008 06:47 PM

I know - I found myself already getting worked up about it, but have to keep reminding myself that:

It's less than 1% of votes reported.
And whoever the winner is, they're not going to win ALL the states anyway.

BoMac 11-04-2008 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintagePunk (Post 5587210)
Well, not really. Local/provincial polls can be announced when they close, there's just a news blackout in western time zones.

Yes, that's what I meant. :)

namkcuR 11-04-2008 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martha (Post 5587208)
Exactly. We've got another anti-choice prop to vote down as well. Yes, the same damn one which was voted down a few years ago. :|

That's silly. There ought to be a law that says something like 'once a state proposition has been voted on, an identical proposition may not be placed on the ballot again for x years'...where x is maybe, I don't know, 10.


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