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yolland 09-07-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by U2democrat (Post 5436607)
I'm just wondering, does anyone here actually volunteer for either of the campaigns on a consistent basis?

Just curious. I want to know how active FYMers are beyond this message board...which is why I've barely been posting during the election and won't be posting much through Nov. 4 (I'm an intern).

I think *maybe* Jeannieco?--although she doesn't post in FYM often. I'm pretty sure there's no one else, because I've never seen anyone besides you talk about it.

Congratulations on the internship! Hope you're enjoying it and learning a lot.

U2democrat 09-07-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by yolland (Post 5436725)
I think *maybe* Jeannieco?--although she doesn't post in FYM often. I'm pretty sure there's no one else, because I've never seen anyone besides you talk about it.

Congratulations on the internship! Hope you're enjoying it and learning a lot.


It's been great. I've been interning since the first week of June, it's been quite a wild ride here in Virginia...looking forward to the final stretch. It's becoming kind of a distraction from my school work :uhoh:

BVS 09-07-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 5436521)
I'm beginning to think you're almost as fixated with Olbermann as Olbermann is.

:lmao:

corianderstem 09-07-2008 10:54 PM

The fact that Palin's a heartbeat away from being president if McCain wins gives me a LOT of pause. And then a small shiver.

And speaking of which, I have a totally random question. What happens if one of the candidates drops dead before the election?

Does the election proceed as usual, with only the remaining candidates and a write-in space on the ballot? If enough voters wrote in the name of the deceased candidate to give him the win, what would happen then?

Oh, the things you wonder about when you're lying awake at one a.m.

BVS 09-07-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by U2democrat (Post 5436607)
I'm just wondering, does anyone here actually volunteer for either of the campaigns on a consistent basis?

I've volunteered for local campaigns but never national campaigns...

By the way, Thank You :up:

BVS 09-07-2008 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEdge U2JT (Post 5436659)
departed Sunday from party doctrine on abortion rights, declaring that as a Catholic, he believes life begins at conception.

Party doctrine? I don't think you quite understand, do you not believe that there are those that personally don't condone but support people's rights?

yolland 09-07-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by U2democrat (Post 5436741)
It's been great. I've been interning since the first week of June, it's been quite a wild ride here in Virginia...looking forward to the final stretch. It's becoming kind of a distraction from my school work :uhoh:

Yes, I've had students who were campaign interns before, and that's always been their experience too. I have worked at the polls, but never for a campaign. A friend of mine from grad school now teaching out east attended the Democratic convention as a delegate--he came by that position mostly because he has some reputation as a blogger on local/state politics, but I assumed as a delegate he must also be working for the campaign, and was surprised when he said he wasn't. He's like me, a professor with three young kids, so I'm impressed merely that he finds time to run a nonacademic political blog, but I was still surprised that he wasn't actually involved with the campaign.

Well, good luck! :up:

2861U2 09-07-2008 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by corianderstem (Post 5436755)

And speaking of which, I have a totally random question. What happens if one of the candidates drops dead before the election?

I was thinking about that as well yesterday. Anyone have an answer? Would the VP pick become the nominee? Would the election be postponed? Would there be another set of primaries to choose a nominee?

TheEdge U2JT 09-07-2008 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VintagePunk (Post 5436723)
It's possible for people to be personally anti-abortion, but to respect and uphold the rights of others to choose for themselves. It doesn't have to be an either - or prospect.

I respect his honesty and his opinion. Personally I would find it very difficult to not vote based on what I personally believe but I respect him for being able to do it..

Sadly, I think this issues gets twisted, The right sees pro-choice woman as baby killers and the left see pro-lifers as intrusive. I know a lot of Pro-choice women, my wife included, who hate the idea of abortion but want to protect personal rights. They wish is that there was better education to prevent unwanted pregnancies by not having them in the 1st place. Same on the other side. Not all Pro-lifers are abortion clinic bombers and religious zealots.

My experience with it was working in an Emergency Room as an EMT and coming across women that had allowed this to become their form of birth control. I had patients who came in complaining of abdominal pain. We run the test, verify pregnancy and the 1st things asked was, :"Do you do abortions?" We found some that were on their 3rd and 4th abortion. This is where I, as a pro-life person, feel that we really need better education. You can preach abstinence, but that doesn't even seem to be working with priests these days. This is the world we have and we have to work within our limitations.

My Christian brothers and sister, yes I am a Conservative Christian if you haven't guessed, may disagree with me but, if we our great desire is to eliminate abortions why can't we compromise on education? Let be realistic about what our kids are doing when we are not around and do what is necessary to prevent these pregnancies. Maybe we can teach the "choice" woman have starts with the choice of birth control. Lets educate them how to make a good choice.

TheEdge U2JT 09-07-2008 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar (Post 5436759)
Party doctrine? I don't think you quite understand, do you not believe that there are those that personally don't condone but support people's rights?

It was a quote from a web site discussing what he said, not something I said.

anitram 09-07-2008 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEdge U2JT (Post 5436778)
My Christian brothers and sister, yes I am a Conservative Christian if you haven't guessed, many disagree with me but, if we our great desire is to eliminate abortions why cannot we compromise on education. Let be realistic about what our kids are doing when we are not around and do what is necessary to prevent these pregnancies. Maybe we can teach the "choice" woman have starts with the choice of birth control. Lets educate them how to make a good choice.

I agree with you.

This is why Sarah Palin, who preaches abstinence, is so scary to me. It didn't even work with her own kid.

Comprehensive sex education and access to effective birth control are imperative. But it is the RIGHT and not the left that sticks its head in the sand and pretends like these things don't exist. The teachings of the churches in this regard are nothing short of negligent.

VintagePunk 09-07-2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEdge U2JT (Post 5436778)

My experience with it was working in an Emergency Room as an EMT and coming across women that had allowed this to become their form of birth control. I had patients who came in complaining of abdominal pain. We run the test, verify pregnancy and the 1st things asked was, :"Do you do abortions?" We found some that were on their 3rd and 4th abortion. This is where I, as a pro-life person, feel that we really need better education. You can preach abstinence, but that doesn't even seem to be working with priests these days. This is the world we have and we have to work within our limitations.

My Christian brothers and sister, yes I am a Conservative Christian if you haven't guessed, may disagree with me but, if we our great desire is to eliminate abortions why can't we compromise on education? Let be realistic about what our kids are doing when we are not around and do what is necessary to prevent these pregnancies. Maybe we can teach the "choice" woman have starts with the choice of birth control. Lets educate them how to make a good choice.

I don't think you would find an abortion rights advocate that disagreed with any of that. I know I certainly don't.

BVS 09-07-2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 5436789)
I agree with you.

This is why Sarah Palin, who preaches abstinence, is so scary to me. It didn't even work with her own kid.

Comprehensive sex education and access to effective birth control are imperative. But it is the RIGHT and not the left that sticks its head in the sand and pretends like these things don't exist. The teachings of the churches in this regard are nothing short of negligent.

Exactly...

corianderstem 09-07-2008 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 2861U2 (Post 5436776)
I was thinking about that as well yesterday. Anyone have an answer? Would the VP pick become the nominee? Would the election be postponed? Would there be another set of primaries to choose a nominee?

Oh good, I'm not the only one. I was a little worried that the only response to my question was something along the lines of "what is wrong with you, you morbid freak?"

;)

BVS 09-07-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEdge U2JT (Post 5436781)
It was a quote from a web site discussing what he said, not something I said.

I understand.

Well just for future reference, you may want to quote sources, it brings a little more credibility...

TheEdge U2JT 09-07-2008 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram (Post 5436789)
I agree with you.

This is why Sarah Palin, who preaches abstinence, is so scary to me. It didn't even work with her own kid.

Comprehensive sex education and access to effective birth control are imperative. But it is the RIGHT and not the left that sticks its head in the sand and pretends like these things don't exist. The teachings of the churches in this regard are nothing short of negligent.


Why is it scary? That seems like a strong word. I can see where you would not agree, but I think it is kind of low on the totem pole of issues in this election. Realistically, what can she do regarding curriculum for sex education? It is a state issue. I'm more interested in the key issues that a Presidential team has a large effect. Economy, Energy, National Security, where will all the money I put in to Social Security over my lifetime be when I it 65?

TheEdge U2JT 09-07-2008 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VintagePunk (Post 5436792)
I don't think you would find an abortion rights advocate that disagreed with any of that. I know I certainly don't.

I guess the question is what action is being taken on either side. Other than trying to overturn Row v. Wade or fight to keep it, what is happening in the real world, not legislative offices of Washington and the chambers of the Supreme Court.

BVS 09-07-2008 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEdge U2JT (Post 5436804)
Realistically, what can she do regarding curriculum for sex education? It is a state issue.

Well there are many education bills that come to the desk of the president, but I'm sure you are aware of that...

Also, if we have a VP potential President that holds these beliefs it brings a certain legitimacy to this type of backwards thinking...

corianderstem 09-07-2008 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEdge U2JT (Post 5436817)
Row v. Wade


There's a joke in here somewhere involving water.

(I know it's just a typo, but I couldn't resist.)

Irvine511 09-07-2008 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEdge U2JT (Post 5436817)
I guess the question is what action is being taken on either side. Other than trying to overturn Row v. Wade or fight to keep it, what is happening in the real world, not legislative offices of Washington and the chambers of the Supreme Court.



the action that pro-choice people take is to fight for abortion to remain legal while supporting comprehensive sex education, fully funded birth control, and the overall advancement and education of women because the more educated women are the more in control of when and how they get pregnant they tend to be. action is also taken by parents who tell their daughters that they are worth more than the status of their virginity, that sex isn't shameful but entirely natural and something that must be approached with caution, knowledge and protection.

so it's a multi-pronged thing.

at the bottom line, every pro-choice person wants each pregnancy to be a wanted pregnancy. many pro-choice people view each and every abortion as a failure, or even a tragedy. but they believe that a woman must be able to control when she does and does not get pregnant.


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