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2861U2 12-12-2007 11:06 AM

https://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-fi...nereal-disease

Paul Begala says President Bush is less popular than venereal disease. Is the really supposed to be funny? How on earth does saying something like that make America better? If you want to build up your candidate, fine. If you want to attack your opponents on issues, be my guest. But to say something vulgar and stupid like this makes not only you but your entire party look terrible. And, as the site above says, just think of the backlash if a Republican said that. But because it's Begala and CNN, I've seen nothing.

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Irvine511 12-12-2007 11:07 AM

crocodile tears.

BVS 12-12-2007 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by 2861U2
https://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-fi...nereal-disease

Paul Begala says President Bush is less popular than venereal disease. Is the really supposed to be funny? How on earth does saying something like that make America better? If you want to build up your candidate, fine. If you want to attack your opponents on issues, be my guest. But to say something vulgar and stupid like this makes not only you but your entire party look terrible. And, as the site above says, just think of the backlash if a Republican said that. But because it's Begala and CNN, I've seen nothing.

:down:

How does this make a whole party look terrible? And please tell me what CNN has to do with it.

It's a silly analogy. Bush isn't popular, why does this analogy bug you so much, because of the nature of the disease?

I've seen people make strong analogies and say, "____ is less popular than cancer." And no one gets riled up about it.

Why is it you get upset about this, but give Huck a ride for something that is TRULY offensive? Bias?

2861U2 12-12-2007 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


How does this make a whole party look terrible? And please tell me what CNN has to do with it.

CNN? The Challenge Nothing Network? And I certainly hope it makes the entire party look bad. Stupid statements like these are gonna blow the election for them.

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
It's a silly analogy. Bush isn't popular, why does this analogy bug you so much, because of the nature of the disease? I've seen people make strong analogies and say, "____ is less popular than cancer." And no one gets riled up about it.
It's not a just a silly analogy. First of all, it's flat out wrong. No matter how unpopular someone is, I'm pretty sure something like cancer would never poll higher. I sure hope Begala was just joking, but you never know. As for those cancer analogies, I despise those as well. Making light of something serious and/or vulgar for political gain is despicable.

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Why is it you get upset about this, but give Huck a ride for something that is TRULY offensive? Bias?

I didn't get Huckabee a free pass. I said that I wouldnt have made that statement. But let's not change the subject.

BVS 12-12-2007 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by 2861U2


CNN? The Challenge Nothing Network? And I certainly hope it makes the entire party look bad. Stupid statements like these are gonna blow the election for them.

Blow the election, why because you and a few blog readers got upset? I don't think so.

This man does not represent the party.

And once again, what does CNN have to do with it? Catchy little phrase, but honestly what would you have wanted CNN to do? Censor the interview? This was an interview, not one of their staff.


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Originally posted by 2861U2

It's not a just a silly analogy. First of all, it's flat out wrong. No matter how unpopular someone is, I'm pretty sure something like cancer would never poll higher. I sure hope Begala was just joking, but you never know. As for those cancer analogies, I despise those as well. Making light of something serious and/or vulgar for political gain is despicable.

Well of course it's wrong. It's called hyperbole. It's very popular in political speech on all sides.

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Originally posted by 2861U2


I didn't get Huckabee a free pass. I said that I wouldnt have made that statement. But let's not change the subject.

I'm not changing the subject. You said you give him the benefit of the doubt, even after we showed you that he stood behind his statement even today. His statement was truly vulgar, offensive, and not only that dangerous to the future of our country if someone with that kind of thinking gets elected. Yet he gets the benefit of the doubt, but a dumb analogy has you judging a whole party?

Talk about bias.

Seriously think about this.

2861U2 12-12-2007 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar

His statement was truly vulgar, offensive, and not only that dangerous to the future of our country if someone with that kind of thinking gets elected.

You still think that he currently believes we should isolate AIDS patients?

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
a dumb analogy has you judging a whole party?

I'm not judging the whole party. I'm saying a statement like that could make his party look bad, kind of like how I wish Ann Coulter wouldnt say half the stuff she says. I know if I were a Democrat, I would have shuttered a little but when I heard him say that.

BVS 12-12-2007 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by 2861U2


You still think that he currently believes we should isolate AIDS patients?

Did you read the Huckabee thread?


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Originally posted by 2861U2

I'm not judging the whole party. I'm saying a statement like that could make his party look bad, kind of like how I wish Ann Coulter wouldnt say half the stuff she says. I know if I were a Democrat, I would have shuttered a little but when I heard him say that.

He made a bad analogy. That's it. It's true that Bush isn't popular. Could he have said it differently? Sure.

But essentially all he was saying is that Bush isn't popular, it really isn't even comparable to calling someone a 'faggot' or saying 'Jews need to be perfected'.

martha 12-12-2007 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by 2861U2


You still think that he currently believes we should isolate AIDS patients?


You're the one giving him the benefit of the doubt.

anitram 12-12-2007 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by 2861U2


CNN? The Challenge Nothing Network? And I certainly hope it makes the entire party look bad. Stupid statements like these are gonna blow the election for them.

What a reactionary statement.

First of all, what, 99% of people out there have never even heard of Paul Begala much less do they even know what party he's a talking head for? And you think that would be a factor in costing them the election? Honestly, that's just so incredibly reaching and short-sighted that I can't believe you actually believe it (however much you may hope it).

If Ann Coulter's vile statements (which are constant and considerably worse than this and I don't recall you showing the same level of outrage about) have never cost somebody an election, then I really think this is much ado about nothing.

phillyfan26 12-12-2007 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by 2861U2
You still think that he currently believes we should isolate AIDS patients?
Uh, dude. He said he wasn't backing off the statement. So, yes, not only does he believe it, he has told people about his belief, this year.

U2DMfan 12-12-2007 06:55 PM

The new ABC/Washington Post National Poll has Hillary Clinton with a 30 point lead over Obama.

I wonder if Chris Matthews openly wept when he read that.
He and his cohorts are going to have to try even harder to make a race out of this.

Anu 12-12-2007 07:23 PM

Clinton or Obama are going to have a real tough time against Huckabee. It will be culture war all over again.

We still live in such a racist and sexist society in so many ways.

But I must admit that the recent Obama has me charged up. It feels like a real movement for change (can't say that about the centrist Clintocracy).

Kucinich is still my first love, but depending on how TN is polling right before the primary and how Barack does in the early states, I may have to jump to Obama.

phillyfan26 12-12-2007 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by Anu
Clinton or Obama are going to have a real tough time against Huckabee. It will be culture war all over again.
Really? I think Huckabee will make the Dems win easily. I mean, as Irvine said, he's making his evangelical views the reason to vote for him.

yolland 12-12-2007 07:37 PM

^ That would likely be softpedaled for a general election campaign, though. The way candidates pitch themselves to 'the base' during the primaries is often quite different from their general election pitch.

Moonlit_Angel 12-12-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Anu
Clinton or Obama are going to have a real tough time against Huckabee. It will be culture war all over again.

We still live in such a racist and sexist society in so many ways.

While I definitely agree that there are still those out there who have reservations about a woman president or a black president, at the same time, I like to think more people are open to the idea than we imagine. And phillyfan's right, no matter who the Democratic nominee winds up being, I think they have a very good chance.

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Originally posted by Anu
But I must admit that the recent Obama has me charged up. It feels like a real movement for change (can't say that about the centrist Clintocracy).

Kucinich is still my first love, but depending on how TN is polling right before the primary and how Barack does in the early states, I may have to jump to Obama.

:yes:. Kucinich and Obama remain my two favorite candidates. I'd be fine with either of them winning the Democratic nomination. If neither of them wins it, I'm going independent, but if one of them wins it, I'm voting for them next November, no question. People talk about how Obama should be more aggressive, and while I agree in some respects, at the same time, I really like how level-headed and calm he seems to be, and I like how sincere he sounds. I like his optimism, and I believe he will do his best to try and implement all the things he wants to do.

Angela

Anu 12-12-2007 07:42 PM

I'm watching clips from the most recent Republican debate on YouTube, and most of these guys sound like Democrats.

The tide has shifted just a bit back to sanity thanks to GWB insanity.

Anu 12-12-2007 07:45 PM

https://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/12...y3609678.shtml

Kucinich excluded. Yuck.

BVS 12-12-2007 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Anu
Clinton or Obama are going to have a real tough time against Huckabee. It will be culture war all over again.

We still live in such a racist and sexist society in so many ways.


I used to think this was going to be an issue, but their overall polling numbers have been suprising, not just with Dems either.

I think if it comes down to Huck and one of these Dems that a lot of the middle ground will stay. The hardcore racist and sexist will come out and vote, but those that are and probably don't consider themselves to be will probably just stay home and watch TV that day. I just don't think Huck will appeal to the middle much at all, and Clinton and Obama will appeal to much of the middle.

Huck will get crushed in the debates. The only way I see Huck winning is if the fundies and bigots come out in full force.


Can you imagine the laughing stock that we will be to the rest of the world?

And here's president HUCKabee...:|

Anu 12-12-2007 07:49 PM

While ultra-liberal, I live in bum-funk Tennessee, so I am aware of the sexism and racism issue as well as the evangelical issue.

Don't underestimate the 'gut' voter who will only turn out in November based on very superficial issues (which is why so many of my friends support Edwards==he is southern and white and male).

Kucinich is so far and away my first choice, but Obama has me interested. Very interested.

Moonlit_Angel 12-12-2007 08:28 PM

The area I live in is pretty liberal, but I'm not sure who the most popular candidate is here. I can only imagine what people would have to say about candidates like Clinton or Obama in some of the other towns I've lived in, though...:rolleyes:.

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Originally posted by Anu
https://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/12...y3609678.shtml

Kucinich excluded. Yuck.

That really sucks. Everybody who is running should be allowed the chance to be part of a debate. Kinda hard for us to decide who we're voting for next year if we don't actually hear from them.

BVS, eh, Huckabee can't be any worse a name than, oh, say, Putin :p.

Angela


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