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phillyfan26 12-17-2007 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by verte76
Also, Kerry wasn't the best candidate. A better candidate would have beaten the worst president in our country's history.
Bingo.

The summary of the 2004 election.

U2democrat 12-17-2007 11:54 PM

Bush may be a horrible president but he's smart enough to have had people like Rove around who, in 2004, masterfully manipulated the American people into a culture of fear and played on that fear to earn votes.

Of course Kerry's campaign was far from perfect, but Bush's people knew how to do their dirty jobs well.

martha 12-17-2007 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by U2democrat
but Bush's people knew how to do their dirty jobs well.
:yes: Never underestimate the gullibility of the American electorate.

Bono's shades 12-18-2007 12:15 AM

Kerry clearly overestimated the American public by not bothering to go on the counter-attack when the Swift Boaters first started going after him.

martha 12-18-2007 07:57 AM

What the hell was he thinking?

MrsSpringsteen 12-18-2007 09:24 AM

What an ass. Bush hasn't aged one iota I suppose. So very predictable.

Today, the Drudge Report featured a not-so-flattering picture of Hillary Clinton with the screaming headline "THE TOLL OF A CAMPAIGN." Clinton, who turned 60 in October, has been traveling around Iowa and this morning hit up all six morning shows as part of a media blitz now that her campaign there has entered panic mode.

On his radio show today, Rush Limbaugh asked, "Does our looks obsessed culture want to stare at an aging woman?" In his own words:

"There is this thing in this country that, as you age -- and this is particularly, you know, women are hardest hit on this, and particularly in Hollywood -- America loses interest in you, and we know this is true because we constantly hear from aging actresses, who lament that they can't get decent roles anymore, other than in supporting roles that will not lead to any direct impact, yay or nay, in the box office. While Hollywood box-office receipts may be stagnant, none of that changes the fact that this is a country obsessed with appearance. It's a country obsessed with looks. The number of people in public life who appear on television or on the big screen, who are content to be who they are, you can probably count on one hand. Everybody's trying to make themselves look different -- and in that situation, in that case, they think they're making themselves look better. It's just the way our culture has evolved. It's the way the country is. It's like almost an addiction that some people have to what I call the perfection that Hollywood presents of successful, beautiful, fun-loving people. So the question is this: Will this country want to actually watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?"

Irvine511 12-18-2007 10:17 AM

omg. Rush is right. there's no way i want to look at my grandmother's face for 8 years.

vote Republican. :up:

martha 12-18-2007 10:31 AM

Rush is always right. :hug:

BonosSaint 12-18-2007 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen

On his radio show today, Rush Limbaugh asked, "Does our looks obsessed culture want to stare at an aging woman?" In his own words:
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Having seen him :yuck: Rush is wise to stay on radio.

MrsSpringsteen 12-18-2007 11:59 AM

To be fair to the creep :D he also said this. But aging is something we all do, men and women equally, and have no control over unless we get surgery, botox, whatever. I just think it's telling that he singles her out for aging and appearance criticism. Appearance has nothing to do with mental acuity- just look at W, for example. Most intelligent people can make that distinction.

"Look at presidents that we elected prior to TV, and presidents we elected after TV, and you will notice a huge difference," he said. "Do you think a bloated president could win? We had plenty of fat-guy presidents. Do you think one could get elected today? There's not a prayer! There isn't a prayer.

"Remember when people said, 'The way to tell if (Al) Gore's really going to run is if he starts losing weight?' It's just what it is, folks. It's just what it is. Perfection, the appearance of perfection and good health, all of that ties into the perception of mental acuity, stamina, being able to hold up to the job."

BonosSaint 12-18-2007 12:05 PM

There's truth in what he says there.

MrsSpringsteen 12-18-2007 12:08 PM

I'd take a fat bloated wrinkled President who knows what he/she is doing any day of the week

verte76 12-18-2007 12:27 PM

I don't give a damn about appearance. That has nothing to do with the ability to get the job of president done. Kerry went too much on image and not enough on substance, in my opinion. That's how the Swift Boat people got as much done as they did.

verte76 12-18-2007 12:30 PM

Rush is such a pig.:censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:

verte76 12-18-2007 12:33 PM

I hate what television has done to American politics. The best looking candidates are given an unfair advantage. It really pisses me off.:censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:

verte76 12-18-2007 12:46 PM

Oh, did anyone see Dukakis on C-Span the other night? I didn't but my parents did. He said Romney had been a terrible governor of Massachusetts. He should know, he lives there.

MaxFisher 12-18-2007 12:54 PM

Rush's comments about Hillary were predicated by a seven minute monologue about the US's obsession with youth; especially for women. He simply raised the question of whether or not our culture will expect an aging woman president. Per usual, the media talking heads focused in on one sound byte and ran with the sexist Rush angle.

anyway...a few bad photos are the least of Hillary's worries.

MrsSpringsteen 12-18-2007 12:59 PM

Well men age as President (usually even more so than average because of the stress) and some are reelected anyway. Anyone who has a problem with a woman doing so and not a man is a sexist. If you want a women who is perpetually ageless elect Joan Rivers.

Vincent Vega 12-18-2007 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by verte76
Oh, did anyone see Dukakis on C-Span the other night? I didn't but my parents did. He said Romney had been a terrible governor of Massachusetts. He should know, he lives there.
Well, he also is a Democrat so his assessment shouldn't be surprising.

MrsSpringsteen 12-18-2007 01:13 PM

I don't think he thinks that just because he's a Democrat. He's an intelligent observer.


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