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Vincent Vega 10-24-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by MadelynIris
Vince,

Ok, maybe I just read it wrong but...

Philidelphia raises the boy scout's rent from $1 to $200,000. Then these responses follow:

https://forum.interference.com/showth...5&pagenumber=1

Not vengeful?

I don't know, I would call it schadenfreude to some extent, expecially understandable with melon and Irvine.

The good and awesome I would see as "Finally public subsidising of organisations that discriminate is cut" and "Finally, some sense entered the politics".
Vengeful if you greet some good measure? Not really.

martha 10-24-2007 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by anitram
Unlike straight men, she's never grabbed my ass in public, yelled out derogatory things from her Camaro while driving past me or hooted at me while I was jogging.
I was thinking about this whilst walking Sandy. Could this be the reason that so many straight men are terrified beyond reason of gay men? The fear that their own behavior may be directed back at them?

BVS 10-24-2007 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by martha


Could this be the reason that so many straight men are terrified beyond reason of gay men? The fear that their own behavior may be directed back at them?

I thought that was pretty apparent in the gays in the military and the Harry Potter thread...

martha 10-24-2007 08:40 PM

I don't read them all. I can't take it.

BrownEyedBoy 10-24-2007 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Irvine511




as a father of girls, i'd be perfectly fine with them sleeping in the same tent as the lesbians.

See, this is a wrong way of thinking because how many lesbians do you know of that have raped other women? I'm not saying homosexuals will rape all I'm trying to point out is that men are wired differently and think differently. And I know I'll probably get the selective ignorance from you saying "No way, men view sex the exact same way that women do" so I do think I'm just wasting my time arguing with you.

And for the record, I do know plenty of straight women who prefer not to change in front of a lesbian woman.

BVS 10-24-2007 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy


See, this is a wrong way of thinking because how many lesbians do you know of that have raped other women? I'm not saying homosexuals will rape all I'm trying to point out is that men are wired differently and think differently. And I know I'll probably get the selective ignorance from you saying "No way, men view sex the exact same way that women do" so I do think I'm just wasting my time arguing with you.

It's true, most rapists are men rather than women. So what? Some rapists are religious, some aren't, some are hispanic, some are white, some are straight, some are gay, some are black, etc...

Rape is about power. What does any of this have to do with the Boy Scouts?

There was a serial rapist caught here in Texas, he was a boy scout leader and an active member of his church, guess who his victims were? Middle age women.

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy

And for the record, I do know plenty of straight women who prefer not to change in front of a lesbian woman.

I know women who prefer not to change in front of their husbands...

BrownEyedBoy 10-24-2007 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar

It's true, most rapists are men rather than women. So what? Some rapists are religious, some aren't, some are hispanic, some are white, some are straight, some are gay, some are black, etc...

Rape is about power. What does any of this have to do with the Boy Scouts?

There was a serial rapist caught here in Texas, he was a boy scout leader and an active member of his church, guess who his victims were? Middle age women.



I know women who prefer not to change in front of their husbands...

I was trying to back up the fact that men do think about sex differently than women. That is why you don't see women being stressed out about sleeping in the same tents as lesbians. All I'm trying to back up is that men are different than women and so whoever pointed out that women don't mind lesbians is wrong in their comparison because men and women are just wired differently.

BVS 10-24-2007 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy


I was trying to back up the fact that men do think about sex differently than women. That is why you don't see women being stressed out about sleeping in the same tents as lesbians. All I'm trying to back up is that men are different than women and so whoever pointed out that women don't mind lesbians is wrong in their comparison because men and women are just wired differently.

But then why the hell did you bring up rapists? Rape has very little to do with sex, and absolutely nothing to do with this paticular discussion.

The rape issue has not one iota of logic behind it when it comes to this discussion.

BrownEyedBoy 10-24-2007 09:30 PM

Again, trying to show you that men and women think differently when it comes to sex. Why can't you see that? Oh right, in order to win your argument we will choose to selectively ignore facts that might back up the other persons argument.

BVS 10-24-2007 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
Again, trying to show you that men and women think differently when it comes to sex. Why can't you see that? Oh right, in order to win your argument we will choose to selectively ignore facts that might back up the other persons argument.
:huh: What am I ignoring?

Once again, answer this, what does rape have to do with sex?

BrownEyedBoy 10-24-2007 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


:huh: What am I ignoring?

Once again, answer this, what does rape have to do with sex?

It demonstrates how men view sex.

BVS 10-24-2007 09:36 PM

Rape demonstrates how men views sex?

Wow, I'm lost.

BrownEyedBoy 10-24-2007 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
Rape demonstrates how men views sex?

Wow, I'm lost.

How many women are rapists?

phillyfan26 10-24-2007 09:38 PM

More than are reported, less than men.

What does it have to do with sex?

martha 10-24-2007 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy


It demonstrates how men view sex.

No it doesn't. If it did, I'd be perfectly justified in demanding that all straight men be locked up.


Do some research on rape and find out what you're talking about.

BrownEyedBoy 10-24-2007 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by phillyfan26
More than are reported, less than men.

What does it have to do with sex?

Would it be safe to infer that because there are less female rapists then male rapists that women view sex differently than men? And that difference however ample or small it may be is enough to completely refute whoever said that since "women don't min sleeping in the same tent as lesbians" that men should be able to do the same. Again, I'm not implying that every man is a potential rapist. All I'm saying is that women are more comfortable with being in a position like that then men are whether you like it or not. The way you guys are acting it seems like I'm saying gay people shouldn't be allowed in the Boy Scouts at all. All I''m trying to suggest that because of their orientation that they should have their own privacy just like women have their privacy from men and men from women.

BVS 10-24-2007 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy


How many women are rapists?

Well the better question to ask is how many rapists are women, and the answer would be very few.

But rape(not date rape) has very little to do with sex. It has to do with power. And the truth is there are many women who use sex as power. The difference in being that they can seduce rather than violently force.

But the truth is, this still has very little to do with your point.

Look, I agree men and women view sex differently. Although honestly I really don't think it's as different as many would think. I believe a lot of our perceptions of how the opposite sex view sex are driven by our own perceptions and the media. I think the media is actually slow in showing us the reality. Reality, I know almost just as many females who just want to get laid no strings attached as men. I also know almost just as many men who have heavy emotional attachments to sex and aren't capable of one night stands. I think both of these types rarely exist in media but in my experience are more prevelant than many are led to believe.

But we're way off subject and this would be a great thread for another day...

phillyfan26 10-24-2007 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy


Would it be safe to infer that because there are less female rapists then male rapists that women view sex differently than men? And that difference however ample or small it may be is enough to completely refute whoever said that since "women don't min sleeping in the same tent as lesbians" that men should be able to do the same. Again, I'm not implying that every man is a potential rapist. All I'm saying is that women are more comfortable with being in a position like that then men are whether you like it or not. The way you guys are acting it seems like I'm saying gay people shouldn't be allowed in the Boy Scouts at all. All I''m trying to suggest that because of their orientation that they should have their own privacy just like women have their privacy from men and men from women.

No, it would not be safe to assume that. Rapists are an anomaly. It's not the commonplace. Rapists are corrupted individuals, for reasons that in some cases are not their fault, and in some cases are their fault. But they reflect nothing on men as a whole, let alone man's view of sex.

And you seem to confuse gender with sexual orientation. Why are the two related to you?

BVS 10-24-2007 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy


The way you guys are acting it seems like I'm saying gay people shouldn't be allowed in the Boy Scouts at all. All I''m trying to suggest that because of their orientation that they should have their own privacy just like women have their privacy from men and men from women.

When I was in the scouts privacy wasn't much of an issue. You slept in tents, usually with other scouts. The scout leader usually slept in a tent with his own son. We were boys so showering wasn't really much of an issue, most of us would go on a weekend trip and not shower, or change all that much either... Maybe my scout troop was just shy or modest. I just don't see the big deal, I can't imagine go back to my scouting days and thinking any different if one of the boys or scout masters were gay.

I kind of find your views of sex disturbing, I've never met anyone who used rape as a defintion to define how gender or sex is different.

BrownEyedBoy 10-24-2007 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by phillyfan26


No, it would not be safe to assume that. Rapists are an anomaly. It's not the commonplace. Rapists are corrupted individuals, for reasons that in some cases are not their fault, and in some cases are their fault. But they reflect nothing on men as a whole, let alone man's view of sex.

And you seem to confuse gender with sexual orientation. Why are the two related to you?

Could it be because, in most cases, gender determines sexual orientation?


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