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Ormus 07-03-2007 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by toscano
I guess he used his predecessor as a role model
I guess Clinton used his predecessor as a role model too. Bush, Sr., in particular, was controversial regarding the Iran-Contra related pardons he made.

The number of pardons is not as relevant as the specifics. And, of course, Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich was certainly quite controversial. What's glossed over is that his pardon also required a $100 million fine.

The irony, however, was that Rich's lawyer was none other than Lewis "Scooter" Libby himself.

unico 07-03-2007 08:34 AM

didn't bush sr. himself say that outing cia agents is a crime or something like that?

LJT 07-03-2007 08:34 AM

Why does he even have the power to do this?

Isn't a modern state meant to trust in its court system?

unico 07-03-2007 08:36 AM

one thing to keep in mind is libby was not pardoned

if he was pardoned then he'd have to speak up. this just continues his right to lie, essentially.

BAW 07-03-2007 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by unico
one thing to keep in mind is libby was not pardoned

if he was pardoned then he'd have to speak up. this just continues his right to lie, essentially.

Yeah, I was wondering why the Clinton pardons even came up in this discussion. Libby wasn't pardoned, he just gets to skip prison :happy:

Most people are pardoned AFTER they serve their time or complete whatever punishment they were given by the courts.

unico 07-03-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Bono's American Wife


Yeah, I was wondering why the Clinton pardons even came up in this discussion. Libby wasn't pardoned, he just gets to skip prison :happy:

Most people are pardoned AFTER they serve their time or complete whatever punishment they were given by the courts.

precisely. i think that perhaps some were just quick to run to the defense of this decision, but listing the pardons of past presidents is a weak argument because it is irrelevant.

phillyfan26 07-03-2007 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by unico


precisely. i think that perhaps some were just quick to run to the defense of this decision, but listing the pardons of past presidents is a weak argument because it is irrelevant.

It's also weak because even if this was a pardon, the discussion is about this incident in particular. Diamond even gave a thumbs up for it, but has yet to explain himself in any other way then pointing a finger at Clinton and calling us hypocrites.

The whole point was to hear your thoughts on Bush commuting Libby. Given your thumbs up, Diamond, may I ask why you give approval to this move by Bush?

BVS 07-03-2007 10:47 AM

Wow, this thread has quickly turned into a joke. :|

unico 07-03-2007 10:50 AM

i'm also curious about this because isn't congress in recess because of the holiday this week? could bush have still done this if they weren't? anybody know how this works?

BAW 07-03-2007 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by unico
i'm also curious about this because isn't congress in recess because of the holiday this week? could bush have still done this if they weren't? anybody know how this works?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

anitram 07-03-2007 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by DaveC


come back when you've got a reasonably sane point to make.

Dave, how much time ya got?

unico 07-03-2007 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by Bono's American Wife


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

thanks!
bush is a sneaky bastard. not a news flash. this is just affirmation of that. i'm not surprised he left the justice dept out of this. i'm wondering how long is he going to be allowed to get away with his dirty sneaky tricks. will he finish his entire term without coming under any scrutiny other then what the public has to say? that is ridiculous.

MadelynIris 07-03-2007 11:15 AM

scooter didn't out any CIA agents

He 'lied' about recalling when and where he heard this information and from whom. That is his crime.

3 years is a pretty tough sentence, and most agreed.

unico 07-03-2007 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by MadelynIris
scooter didn't out any CIA agents

He 'lied' about recalling when and where he heard this information and from whom. That is his crime.

3 years is a pretty tough sentence, and most agreed.

The information he is witholding is that Cheney told him to leak classified information. That is why he is lying, to protect him. That's why Bush commuted him. If Bush had pardoned him then he would've had to speak up.

anitram 07-03-2007 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by MadelynIris
scooter didn't out any CIA agents

He 'lied' about recalling when and where he heard this information and from whom. That is his crime.

3 years is a pretty tough sentence, and most agreed.

He perjured himself. When Clinton perjured himself, how many Republicans were on the nightly news talking about the crime of LYING under oath and how horrible it was?

And as for the sentence, it's within the sentencing guidelines.

Bush has no shame, but that's nothing new.

verte76 07-03-2007 11:37 AM

I'm disgusted. This guy committed a felony. Is there no sense of justice in this Administration?

phillyfan26 07-03-2007 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by MadelynIris
scooter didn't out any CIA agents

He 'lied' about recalling when and where he heard this information and from whom. That is his crime.

3 years is a pretty tough sentence, and most agreed.

Yes, three years is too tough for perjury by a top government official in a case over life-and-death matters. :rolleyes:

hardyharhar 07-03-2007 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by diamond
:up:
Diamond's childhood hero was Benedict Arnold

joyfulgirl 07-03-2007 12:04 PM

Even Lil' Kim served 10 months for perjury.
:banghead:

Lemon Grrrrrl 07-03-2007 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by diamond

:hmm:

Bush *63 pardons
Clinton *310 pardons.

But we know who is more corrupt, riiiiigt..:yes:
only in FYM.:eyeroll:

dbs

*rough count

I wish coming up with the "Clinton did it, but worse" strategy that seems to be the mainstay of conservatives trying to defend the current administration was something that only happened in FYM. I think most other people in here already took care of the, "What does this have to do with the topic at hand?" question so no need to address it any further IMO. I guess basically my point is, before those who want to defend Bush's actions speak up, maybe they should try to exclude the name 'Clinton' from their arguments. I believe that kind of arguing is called a red herring, if I remember my high school English class correctly.


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