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redhotswami 02-10-2007 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by DaveC
Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Obama is in. :up:

https://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS....ap/index.html


GOOD! I was ready to give him hell for declining an appearance here at the last minute. Yay though, this is going to be an exciting election.

redhotswami 02-10-2007 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by Varitek
So given that Al Gore is sponsoring this huge climate change 7 city bonanza in July that U2 may play in - is that an indication that he's not running? If he's focusing his efforts on organizing that? Or could it just be worked into a campaign? I'm more and more thinking he isn't going to run. Which I always kind of knew, but a girl can hope.
Last night on Conan, he said (before his punchline) that it is rumored that Al Gore will be announcing his candidacy at the Academy Awards.

U2democrat 02-10-2007 11:10 AM

Barack is announcing right now...he got on the stage to City of Blinding Lights. I swear it must be an unwritten mandate that each democratic candidate must use a U2 song at their rallies.

80sU2isBest 02-10-2007 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by U2democrat
Barack is announcing right now...he got on the stage to City of Blinding Lights. I swear it must be an unwritten mandate that each democratic candidate must use a U2 song at their rallies.
I think that if I were running for office, I'd blare U2 so loud it would make the speakers bleed.

And why? Just so I could come to FYM and read all the shocked posts about a conservative using U2 as "theme music".:wink:

U2democrat 02-10-2007 12:20 PM

:lol:

It would be pretty shocking :wink:


COBL is a good choice for an event like that though :up:

80sU2isBest 02-10-2007 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by U2democrat
:lol:

It would be pretty shocking :wink:


COBL is a good choice for an event like that though :up:

Yeah, you're right, that would be the perfect choice!

LyricalDrug 02-12-2007 03:06 PM

If I had to guess who will end up on the Democratic ticket, I'd say Hillary for Prez and either Obama or Edwards for VP.

MrsSpringsteen 02-14-2007 10:41 AM

In 1993 Memo, Giuliani Staff Gave Harsh Assessment of Flaws
Aides Wrote of His 'Weirdness Factor'

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 14, 2007; A03

Sometimes in politics, the most damaging accusations come from your own staff.

Rudolph W. Giuliani learned that lesson again yesterday when a "vulnerability study," including warnings about his "weirdness factor" and other perceived liabilities, surfaced from his second campaign for New York mayor, 14 years ago.

Last month, the New York Daily News obtained a secret blueprint for Giuliani's expected Republican presidential bid that detailed concerns such as his liberal views on social issues and his messy divorce from his second wife, Donna Hanover.

The 1993 report by two aides in Giuliani's mayoral campaign was obtained by Village Voice reporter Wayne Barrett for a book on Giuliani and was posted on the Smoking Gun Web site. Giuliani went on to defeat incumbent David N. Dinkins (D) in a rematch that year and won a second term four years later.

Tony Carbonetti, a senior political adviser to Giuliani, said last night that the report was not "relevant" because of the former mayor's record of reducing crime and welfare rolls. "He made New York City not only governable but livable once again," Carbonetti said. "I have no concern over a pre-campaign strategy book because Rudy's going to be judged on his record."

The "weirdness" question involved Giuliani's first marriage, to his second cousin. He had his 14-year union with Regina Peruggi annulled on grounds that the Roman Catholic Church had never properly approved the marriage. The 1993 memo said that Giuliani had given a "wide array of conflicting answers" about his personal life, bringing "the soundness of his judgment" into question, but that any attempt to question the marriage or his fidelity "should be deflected as a shameless act of negative campaigning."

In an echo of Giuliani's current quandary -- that his support for abortion and gay rights may alienate many conservative voters -- the 1993 memo declared: "He doesn't really fit in with the Republicans. Too liberal." Giuliani's aides were also concerned that, as a former Democrat, he would be painted as a flip-flopper, and that his tenure as an official in Ronald Reagan's Justice Department was an albatross for a liberal city. "There is not a minute to waste in inoculating against the Reagan Republican moniker," the memo said, adding that the candidate should emphasize his "independence from traditional national Republican policies."

Giuliani was deemed "vulnerable to charges of insensitivity toward racial minorities," the memo said, in urging him to soften his image. "Rudy Giuliani can -- and should -- be redefined for all voters, but especially minority voters." Giuliani had strained relations with black leaders and communities during his two terms as mayor.

Although some opponents painted him as "antigay," the report said, "gay marriage really is the only issue where Giuliani opposes the gay agenda."

While a supporter of abortion rights, Giuliani had stumbled badly on the issue in his 1989 mayoral campaign, sounding like "just another pro-life male politician trying to explain how he wasn't anti-woman," the memo said. The advisers said Giuliani could "win over undecided pro-choice activists" by being more "succinct" about his support for the procedure and for public financing of abortions.

The memo also reported the "charge" that "Giuliani received special treatment from a friendly federal judge to avoid military service during the Vietnam War," and later "hypocritically prosecuted draft dodgers." Giuliani, who was dropped by an Air Force ROTC program because of a hearing problem, received a rare occupational deferment in 1969 after a federal judge wrote a letter about the importance of his duties as a law clerk.

U2democrat 02-15-2007 10:09 AM

I'll be seeing Barack on Saturday at the annual Jefferson Jackson day dinner...it'll probably be on C-SPAN so my fellow :nerd:s should watch :wink:

I'm still completely undecided. We've got great candidates running...but will they make good presidents? That's my question.

LyricalDrug 02-15-2007 01:17 PM

^ There are definitely some great candidates. They'd all make a good President, IMO. Hillary has the best chance of winning, though, because:

* the Clintons know exactly how to beat Republicans. Ever seen the documentary "The War Room"? :)

* The Republicans won't have any "dirt" on Hillary. They've been going after her for years, and there are no more skeletons in her closet. She's squeaky clean, unlike Obama.

* Like it or not, the 2008 election will largely be decided by which candidate can raise the most money. That's reality. That was a huge reason why Bush won in 2000 and 2004. Clinton can outraise anyone in the field, including the Republican nominee.

* Hillary is ahead in all the polls. She leads Obama by ~ 20 points right now, and beats McCain in a head-to-head matchup.

MrsSpringsteen 02-15-2007 01:23 PM

From what I've read and heard Obama has exposed all of his skeletons himself in his books. Unless people will just try to create some that aren't even truly there-like the Madrassa bs. He seems very honest about himself and I admire that so much, in anyone. Unless there are skeletons he hasn't yet disclosed.

LyricalDrug 02-15-2007 01:45 PM

^ I like Obama a lot, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in the V.P. slot. But I think he's too inexperienced to withstand the rigors of a national campaign. There's still a lot of dirt on him that hasn't been aired. (Like 99% of "dirt" thrown by Republicans, it's of course B.S., but it puts candidates on the defensive and drags down their poll numbers.)

I think Obama is this year's Howard Dean: very telegenic, and new on the scene, and very left-wing, which works well during the early days of primary season. But there's still a lot of time left. We'll see what happens. As long as the Democratic candidates stay focused on criticizing Bush and not each other, things should work out fine.

I should say that I'm working for the Clinton campaign, so I'm a little biased, of course!

MrsSpringsteen 02-15-2007 03:10 PM

Haha, why am I not surprised?

Romney to deliver commencement address at Pat Robertson's University


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney will deliver a commencement address at Regent University this May, the Christian school founded by prominent Christian broadcaster and one-time presidential candidate Pat Robertson.

According to Regent spokeswoman Sherri Stocks, Robertson made the decision after Romney met with him at the University last December.

"The meeting went very well and the decision was made to invite him back and speak to our students," Stocks told CNN.

However Robertson has not endorsed Romney for president, Stocks said.

Stocks did not know if any other presidential candidates were considered for the address.

Sen. John McCain, one of Romney's chief rivals for the nomination, delivered the commencement address last May at the Rev. Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.

Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition, ran unsuccessfully for the GOP presidential nomination in 1988.

anitram 02-15-2007 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by LyricalDrug
^
I think Obama is this year's Howard Dean: very telegenic, and new on the scene, and very left-wing, which works well during the early days of primary season.

Obama very left? Since when?

Very left is Kucinich. And somewhat less left, but clearly leaning that way is John Edwards. Obama is nowhere near that end of the spectrum.

Of course, everyone is left of Hillary who has (possibly at her own peril) swung far to the right as to not alienate independents.

redhotswami 02-15-2007 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by anitram
Very left is Kucinich.
sorry, i know this isn't contributing to conversation. but his name hasn't been mentioned in awhile, and my heart just fluttered.

LyricalDrug 02-15-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by anitram


Obama very left? Since when?

Very left is Kucinich. And somewhat less left, but clearly leaning that way is John Edwards. Obama is nowhere near that end of the spectrum.

Of course, everyone is left of Hillary who has (possibly at her own peril) swung far to the right as to not alienate independents.

To be more clear, I mean "very left" in the sense that he's targeting the far left, by trumpeting his track record as having been against the Iraq war since day 1. And that makes him a strong primary candidate.

But you can't be President unless you can beat the Republican nominee. And most Americans are conservative by nature. If you want to get to the White House as a Democrat, you have to be near the center.

A_Wanderer 02-15-2007 09:08 PM

So very, very, very, very, very wrong https://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/1...t-ann-coulter/

redhotswami 02-15-2007 09:28 PM

I think part of my soul just died.

anitram 02-15-2007 09:29 PM

That's not even funny. At all. It's actually kind of sad how not funny it was.

Just another thing the right is shit at, I guess. :wink:

A_Wanderer 02-15-2007 09:30 PM

I think that iowahawk can dispel that myth before it gets started.


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