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redhotswami 01-30-2007 07:20 PM

I just thought of something...was Kennedy the last senator to be elected president? Anybody know? U2dem??

Irvine511 01-31-2007 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by U2@NYC


Any former, or current, Newyorker, will tell you that Rudy rules.


not those who were sodomized with nightsticks by the NYPD.

Headache in a Suitcase 01-31-2007 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Irvine511



not those who were sodomized with nightsticks by the NYPD.

while i'm sure louima is not a big fan of rudy (and it was a plunger, not that it matters), one can not cast blame on rudy for the actions of one rouge cop and the three wittnesses (also cops) who did nothing to stop it.

now you can certainly have a problem with rudy standing up in support of the NYPD during the louima and diallo incidents. but frankly, did he really have a choice? can one really effectively manage a large government while alienating the state's police force, even when some of it's members did outrageous, incredibly wrong things?


but, alas, rudy was not beloved by all new yorkers. this is very much true. he did win re-election in landslide victories, and after 9/11 he was loved by almost everyone (even sharpton gave him a pat on the back)... but many of his policies were controversial at the time, even though in retrospect the majority of them did, in fact, work.

phanan 01-31-2007 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by redhotswami
I just thought of something...was Kennedy the last senator to be elected president? Anybody know? U2dem??
He was the last one, yes. LBJ was a senator as well, but as we all know was VP in between. Nixon also was briefly in the Senate before becoming VP.

Irvine511 01-31-2007 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase
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while i'm sure louima is not a big fan of rudy (and it was a plunger, not that it matters), one can not cast blame on rudy for the actions of one rouge cop and the three wittnesses (also cops) who did nothing to stop it.

ah, you're right, it was a plunger.

my comment was more that Giuliani's police tactics during the 1990s were seen by many as a bit Draconian. this is one reason why not all New Yorkers loved him, that and turning Times Square into Disneyland.

my own opinion, being an admirer and once frequent visitor of New York and not an actual New Yorker (though i think i get bonus points because my mom's from Brooklyn), is generally pretty good of Rudy, on the whole. you kind of need a heavy-hitting bastard-ass jerk-off to run a city like New York, and it was generally run very well and the city is a dramatically better place to live and work than it was in the late 80s'/early 90s.

and his unanimous 9-11 props are well deserved.

especially when one contrasts this to, say, My Pet Goat.

anitram 01-31-2007 02:04 PM

Rudy has no chance.

Photos of him in drag + his 98 marriages + being pro-choice + pro-gay marriage = Titanic sized disaster. It's gonna be a hilarious GOP primary.

MrsSpringsteen 01-31-2007 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by anitram
Rudy has no chance.

Photos of him in drag + his 98 marriages + being pro-choice + pro-gay marriage = Titanic sized disaster.

Funny but all of that would make him the only Republican I could vote for :D

I went to a booksigning when he came out with Leadership. They said he wouldn't personalize any books, but my mother was getting one for her boss for her birthday and he took the time to ask her her name and wrote "happy birthday" in it- and there was a huge line there. I was impressed, and he was so gracious to everyone in the line that I could see. Obviously I know precious little about him compared to people from NYC, but I just like the guy.

Headache in a Suitcase 01-31-2007 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by anitram
Rudy has no chance.

Photos of him in drag

it would be a bit funny telling the rest of the world that this is our president...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

https://www.newyorkslime.com/giuliani-drag.jpg

take that, france!

LarryMullen's POPAngel 01-31-2007 02:54 PM

:lol:

MrsSpringsteen 01-31-2007 06:43 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Comedian Al Franken has decided to run for U.S. Senate in Minnesota in challenging incumbent Republican Norm Coleman, a senior Democratic official told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The official, who requested anonymity because Franken has not made an announcement, said that the comedian and former star of NBC's "Saturday Night Live" told her of his decision recently.

Andy Barr, the political director of Franken's Midwest Values Political Action Committee, declined to comment.

The news was not unexpected. Franken has been calling members of the Minnesota congressional delegation to get their input on a run, and he announced this week that he would be leaving his show on Air America Radio on Feb. 14. He told listeners he would be making a decision on a race soon.

Should he win the Democratic primary in Minnesota, Franken would take on Coleman, a first-term senator who is among the Democrats' top targets.

verte76 01-31-2007 09:01 PM

The right wing of the Republican Party will kill Giuliani. That's too bad, because he's the only Republican worth a damn in my book.

INDY500 02-01-2007 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by verte76
The right wing of the Republican Party will kill Giuliani. That's too bad, because he's the only Republican worth a damn in my book.
Your book is one page longer than my book:

'Democrats Worth A Damn'
By Indy500

Headache in a Suitcase 02-02-2007 09:56 AM

perhaps rudy won't need the republican party...

Quote:

On paper, Rudy's unsure
Giuliani's government filings don't lend hints to his presidential run - he hasn't submitted a declaration form or checked the Republican box

BY CRAIG GORDON
NEWSDAY WASHINGTON BUREAU; Staff writer Tom Brune contributed to this story.

February 2, 2007

WASHINGTON - Republicans looking at Rudolph Giuliani's campaign for president always ask two questions - is he really running, and is he a "real Republican?"

They're probably not going to like the answers found by Newsday in Giuliani's government filings.

The ex-mayor still is holding back from submitting the simple one-page form declaring himself a possible candidate, despite raising $1.4 million to run. And asked what party he belongs to on a different form, Giuliani didn't say - he left the answer blank.

Not so for chief rivals John McCain and Mitt Romney. Both have filed the candidacy paperwork, and both gave a straightforward answer when asked their party affiliation: "Rep," or Republican.

Giuliani's campaign insisted he isn't spending enough to file a statement of candidacy - a view one election-law expert disputed last night - and that leaving out his party was a meaningless omission.

"The mayor continues to be a proud member of the Republican Party, and we are extremely encouraged by the response from Republicans across the country to his potential run for president," Giuliani spokeswoman Katie Levinson said.

The documents appear likely to fuel doubts among Republicans about whether Giuliani really wants to run. Many still remember his on-again, off-again interest in running for Senate in 2000, a campaign he ultimately quit after being diagnosed with prostate cancer.

The seeming dodge on his party affiliation, however, could make some Republicans see red.

It's no secret Giuliani would have a better shot at the White House if he didn't have to win the Republican nomination first. His views on social issues are out of step with his party.

And the omission raises the question of whether Giuliani is leaving the door open a crack to run not as a Republican at all, but as an independent.

Giuliani's campaign confirmed that leaving off the Republican designation wasn't a typo. It was the campaign's "judgment that we didn't have to fill in that box," said a campaign lawyer. The lawyer said an update filed Wednesday lists him as a Republican, though that form couldn't be found on the Federal Election Commission Web site.

The lawyer said Giuliani held back a statement of candidacy in November because he genuinely wasn't sure he'd run. He's still just "testing the waters," the lawyer said, on condition of anonymity.

Another election-law expert, Kenneth Gross, said Giuliani's spending exceeds the FEC cut-off for merely testing a possible race and that he now should file the added paperwork.

This isn't Giuliani's first unusual filing. In 1998, he filed a statement of candidacy - but put on the line for office sought "undecided." Responding to an FEC query, he replied, "I am as of now still undecided as to the federal office, if any, for which I may become a candidate."

a dream of rudy and mayor mike running a self financed independent ticket together just flashed through my head... surely to be crushed in due times.

redhotswami 02-02-2007 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase
perhaps rudy won't need the republican party...



a dream of rudy and mayor mike running a self financed independent ticket together just flashed through my head... surely to be crushed in due times.

i dunno...maybenot so soon to be crushed. a lot of people like him, i'm sure he'd do better in the polls than any of the past independent candidates.

i think this is the hottest stove i've ever experienced in any campaign during my lifetime.

Varitek 02-04-2007 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by U2democrat


Hey that's my favorite Mellencamp song! :happy:


Aaaaaaanyway...I feel weird to not be backing anyone at this point. I keep waffling among several different candidates, but I haven't made up my mind.

Me too. Obama, Edwards, Gore...Richardson? Clark (VP)? I am so confused, especially by the fact that I don't have a strong opinion, or any opinion at this point.

Varitek 02-04-2007 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Comedian Al Franken has decided to run for U.S. Senate in Minnesota in challenging incumbent Republican Norm Coleman, a senior Democratic official told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The official, who requested anonymity because Franken has not made an announcement, said that the comedian and former star of NBC's "Saturday Night Live" told her of his decision recently.

Andy Barr, the political director of Franken's Midwest Values Political Action Committee, declined to comment.

The news was not unexpected. Franken has been calling members of the Minnesota congressional delegation to get their input on a run, and he announced this week that he would be leaving his show on Air America Radio on Feb. 14. He told listeners he would be making a decision on a race soon.

Should he win the Democratic primary in Minnesota, Franken would take on Coleman, a first-term senator who is among the Democrats' top targets.

Andy Barr went to my high school. He brought Franken to speak my last year of high school. Anyway, this will come as no surprise to anyone who has read his fantasy in Truth.

all_i_want 02-05-2007 03:51 PM

Clinton-Obama or Clinton-Edwards.

No one else could have the steamrolling effect her campaign will have.

verte76 02-05-2007 06:27 PM

Clinton is too divisive. I don't know who I'll support, but Hillary's too controversial to be electable. I don't know, alot of people are too controversial to be electable.

80sU2isBest 02-05-2007 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by INDY500


Your book is one page longer than my book:

'Democrats Worth A Damn'
By Indy500

That would be a short book; it would only have one page and 3 words:

Zell Miller, Retired.

Irvine511 02-05-2007 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by 80sU2isBest


That would be a short book; it would only have one page and 3 words:

Zell Miller, Retired.



do you really think Zell Miller is worth a damn?

come on -- i can think of some Replublicans worth a damn, are our conservatives in FYM so partisan that they can't find a single democrat they like?


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