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cjboog 03-11-2006 06:20 PM

Bomb's Weak Single #'s in the US
 
I have wondered why in recent years U2's single chart numbers in the US are so bad. Look at recent #'s:

Beautiful Day was #1 in the UK, #21 in the US
Stuck in a Moment was #2 in the UK, #52 in the US
Walk On was #5 in the Uk, didn't chart on Billboard
Elevation was #3 in the UK, didn't chart on Billboard

Electrical Storm was #5 in the UK, #77 in the US

Vertigo was #1 in the UK, #31 in the US
Sometimes was #1 in the UK, #97 in the US :yuck:
City of Blinding Lights was #2 in the UK, didn't chart on Billboard
All Becuase of You was #4 in the UK, didn't chart on Billboard

I know that modern radio in the US is often dominated by hip hop and r&b, but that doesn't explain the difference between #97 and #1. Can someone please explain why their singles have been so bad in the US over the last couple years. Thanks

STING2 03-11-2006 06:40 PM

Re: Bomb's Weak Single #'s in the US
 
Quote:

Originally posted by cjboog
I have wondered why in recent years U2's single chart numbers in the US are so bad. Look at recent #'s:

Beautiful Day was #1 in the UK, #21 in the US
Stuck in a Moment was #2 in the UK, #52 in the US
Walk On was #5 in the Uk, didn't chart on Billboard
Elevation was #3 in the UK, didn't chart on Billboard

Electrical Storm was #5 in the UK, #77 in the US

Vertigo was #1 in the UK, #31 in the US
Sometimes was #1 in the UK, #97 in the US :yuck:
City of Blinding Lights was #2 in the UK, didn't chart on Billboard
All Becuase of You was #4 in the UK, didn't chart on Billboard

I know that modern radio in the US is often dominated by hip hop and r&b, but that doesn't explain the difference between #97 and #1. Can someone please explain why their singles have been so bad in the US over the last couple years. Thanks

The US chart until recently has been based almost entirely on radio airplay. Single sales did not really impact the chart. Even with downloads now that are popular, you need to have strong airplay in order to chart high.

Is the UK chart based on single sales, radio airplay, or a combination of both?

Popmartijn 03-11-2006 06:43 PM

The UK chart is sales only (hard copies and downloads).

cjboog 03-12-2006 03:22 AM

So the UK chart isn't based on airplay at all? If Billboard doesn't really account for sales info then I guess there really is no accurate chart that considers everything. I know of a US chart called the ARC top 40 that claims to represent "weekly sales, radio airplay, and video play". It only keeps track of the top 40. On this chart the #'s are a little different:

Beautiful Day #4
Stuck In A Moment #18
Walk On #29

Elecrical Storm #27

Vertigo #18
Sometimes #20
City of Blinding Lights didn't chart
All Because of You didn't chart

To me this seems more accurate, as to me the #1 judge of single should be radio play then downloads then sales then video play. Very few people actually go out and buy a single and a song may be popular on the radio but not in video play. I tend to trust this chart more than the Billboard chart becuse it seems to be accurate based on my perception of how big a song is.

Tallarico 03-12-2006 05:33 AM

For example Vertigo was #31 in Bb hot 100 but in that period there weren't counted the legal downloads....and Vertigo was the #1 song downloaded for 2 or 3 week in Us...i think Vertigo could arrive in top 15 Bb with downloads!

cjboog 03-12-2006 12:35 PM

Does the Billboard Hot 100 today include dowloads and when did it start doing that if it does? Sometimes being #97 is pathetic any way you look at it.

STING2 03-12-2006 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cjboog
Does the Billboard Hot 100 today include dowloads and when did it start doing that if it does? Sometimes being #97 is pathetic any way you look at it.
I think right after Vertigo's chart run was finished they started to use downloads. Sometimes got very little radio airplay, so the general public really was not aware of the song.

In terms of airplay in the United States, U2 keeps on falling in this area. On POP, Discotheque made it to #22 in Airplay, Staring At The Sun #16, Last Night On Earth #74. But then on ATYCLB, Beautiful Day made it to #19, Stuck in A Moment #56 while the other singles failed to make the chart. Now with HTDAAB, the only song to crack the Billboard top 75 airplay songs was Vertigo at #30.

Its incredible how many albums the band is able to sell despite the lack of radio airplay.

04072511 03-12-2006 03:00 PM

Sting2 Have you got a complete list of U2's performances on the Hot 100 Airplay Chart?Thanks

Axver 03-12-2006 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cjboog
To me this seems more accurate, as to me the #1 judge of single should be radio play then downloads then sales then video play. Very few people actually go out and buy a single and a song may be popular on the radio but not in video play.
I disagree here. People are certainly willing to pay to download songs. It's one thing to play a song on radio, but I'd like to know how many people like a song enough that they are willing to go out and buy/download the song. I think that's a truer measure of a song's popularity than whether or not it makes some pre-determined radio playlists.

Harry Vest 03-12-2006 07:08 PM

If "Beautiful Day" didn't even make it to the top 10 then there is absolutely no hope whatsoever for American Top 40 radio!!!!!!

cjboog 03-12-2006 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Axver


I disagree here. People are certainly willing to pay to download songs. It's one thing to play a song on radio, but I'd like to know how many people like a song enough that they are willing to go out and buy/download the song. I think that's a truer measure of a song's popularity than whether or not it makes some pre-determined radio playlists.

Well...I agree with you to an extent. The radio is the number 1 place where people hear music, and thus I think it the most important factor. Downloading/buying songs is also important though.

STING2 03-12-2006 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by 04072511
Sting2 Have you got a complete list of U2's performances on the Hot 100 Airplay Chart?Thanks
I don't have a complete list. From the songs I have already listed, I know that both "With Or With Out You" and "I Still Havn't Found What I'm Looking For" have hit #1 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart.

Desire #5
One #7
Mysterious Ways #11

Those are the only other ones I can remember off hand.

cjboog 03-13-2006 12:02 AM

So is the reason their singles don't even break the top 20 any more just a sign of chaging trends in music? In the case of Sometimes, COBL, and ABOY it doesn't make sense. If Bomb had had a strong second single in the US I think it would hav easily surpassed ATYLB in sales. These songs were hits overseas and yet they didn't even make a sound on the US charts.

phanan 03-13-2006 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 04072511
Sting2 Have you got a complete list of U2's performances on the Hot 100 Airplay Chart?Thanks
I don't have the airplay chart off the top of my head, but these are all of U2's songs that have charted on the Billboard Hot 100, which is the primary singles chart in the US.

I Will Follow (81)
Pride (33)
With Or Without You (1)
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (1)
Where The Streets Have No Name (13)
In God's Country (44)
Desire (3)
Angel Of Harlem (14)
When Love Comes To Town (68)
All I Want Is You (83)
The Fly (61)
Mysterious Ways (9)
One (10)
Even Better Than The Real Thing (32)
Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses (35)
Stay (Faraway, So Close!) (61)
Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me (16)
Discotheque (10)
Staring At The Sun (26)
Last Night On Earth (57)
Sweetest Thing (63)
Beautiful Day (21)
Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of (52)
Electrical Storm (77)
Vertigo (31)
Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own (97)

East Bay Fan 03-13-2006 03:48 PM

I think that U2 are aware that the singles market in the US is crappy and thus they only push the first single off of an album. The rest they leave to flounder on radio.

This kind of bothers me. I think that U2 should try to make more of an impact on the singles charts. It has been mentioned by severa;l others in the past that U2's marketing team in the US continously drop the ball.

U2DMfan 03-13-2006 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phanan


I don't have the airplay chart off the top of my head, but these are all of U2's songs that have charted on the Billboard Hot 100, which is the primary singles chart in the US.

I Will Follow (81)
Pride (33)
With Or Without You (1)
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (1)
Where The Streets Have No Name (13)
In God's Country (44)
Desire (3)
Angel Of Harlem (14)
When Love Comes To Town (68)
All I Want Is You (83)
The Fly (61)
Mysterious Ways (9)
One (10)
Even Better Than The Real Thing (32)
Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses (35)
Stay (Faraway, So Close!) (61)
Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me (16)
Discotheque (10)
Staring At The Sun (26)
Last Night On Earth (57)
Sweetest Thing (63)
Beautiful Day (21)
Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of (52)
Electrical Storm (77)
Vertigo (31)
Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own (97)

Add New Years Day (hit #53) which was U2's first charted single on Billboard and this is the complete American top 100 list.

Interesting to note that the version of I Will Follow that charted was a live version.

Longest hot 100 chart run, according to my book, which is not up to date was 20 weeks for both Mysterious Ways (#9) and One (#10) which were back to back releases. Which, one could argue was U2's second most popular run on the American charts in their history from Nov 91 to March 92.

The most popular American run has to be the Joshua Treee singles which saw WOWY hit #1, SHF hit #1 then Streets all from March 1987 to Sep 87.

It's been hard for almost all rock bands to have singles success in America for well over a decade.

phanan 03-14-2006 12:07 AM

Thanks for that. Don't know how I forgot New Year's Day!

U2DMfan 03-14-2006 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by phanan
Thanks for that. Don't know how I forgot New Year's Day!
I'd say you did pretty damn well to miss only one.

:up:

04072511 03-14-2006 07:30 AM

Beautiful Day was in the charts for 25 weeks i think! Maybe it was 26!

BigMacPhisto 03-14-2006 06:31 PM

And there's a chart of the next 25 songs that aren't in the Top 100........Heatseekers or something or other:

#101 Two Hearts Beat As One
#101 All Because Of You
#103 Lemon
#116 Elevation
#118 Walk On


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