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Mogi 01-01-2006 07:08 AM

Achtung Baby vs. Ok Computer
 
I know there was a thread similar to this a few weeks ago (comparing albums), but since there was a new thread recently about Q´s 100 best albums of all time, I thought it would be nice to compare what I consider the two essential albums of the last 20 years.
These are my two favorite bands (U2 first!!), but it bothers me sometimes that critics fall all over themselves about OK Computer, but not as much about AB.
Anyway, here is my comparison:

1. Zoo Station > Airbag
Airbag is such a great song, but Zoo Station is pure statement and of course that awesome guitar riff at the beginning.

2. EBTTRT<Paranoid Android
Both great songs and EBTTRT grooves so well, but Paranoid Android is pure genius.

3. One>Subterranian Homesick Alien
Actually more difficult than it seems to pick One. But One is One, isn´t it?

4. UTEOTW>Exit Music
UTEOTW is intense. Actually I think this is one of U2´s most stellar moments.

5.WGTRYWH<Let Down
Let Down almost brings me to tears everytime I hear it. But the mid-8 of WGTRYWH is one of the best I´ve ever heard.

6. So Cruel< Karma Police
It is "so cruel" to have to say this, but Karma Police is one of the best songs I´ve ever heard. But, aghhh it was close!!

7. The Fly>Fitter Happier
Do I really need to explain myself on this one?

8. Mysterious Ways>Electioneering
Electioneering is pretty much a marginal song that adds nothing special to the album.

9. TTTYAATW<Climbing up the Walls
Climbing of the Walls is one of the creepiest and most atmospheric songs I´ve ever heard. Just love it!!

10. Ultraviolet>No Surprises
This is a very close one too since I think these are decent but not great songs. I just think Ultraviolet has more juice to it, even with the "baby, baby, baby".

11. Acrobat>Lucky
Acrobat is INCREDIBLE!!!!! Lucky is good, but nothing special.

12. Love is Blindness>The Tourist
Both are great slow and smokey songs to end the album, but Love is Blindness is just beautiful and dripping with atmosphere.

AB-8
OK Computer-4

I think that U2 does not get enough credit for being just as forward thinking as Radiohead with their sound and vision. Remember that AB also spawned ZOO TV, which was unprecedented and set the standards of touring today.

ponkine 01-01-2006 09:21 AM

Re: Achtung Baby vs. Ok Computer
 
As a whole listening experience...

Ok Computer by far :drool: :shocked: :heart: :rockon: :crack:

You simply can´t take Ok Computer as 12 different songs, it´s much more than that, is A WHOLE ALBUM :applaud:

... we hope that you choke...

SunBloc 01-01-2006 09:31 AM

I respect your opinions because OK Computer is truly a work of art ---- in MY opinion.... BUT, I think it's the other way around for me. I can't listen to OK at one sitting - just not that personal (or human) to me. AB is a different type of art that is more literal.
U2's my group!! Good subject!

1stepcloser 01-01-2006 10:00 AM

Achtung Baby Beats Ok Computer in every way possible for me.

Stefan 01-01-2006 10:01 AM

Achtung Baby and Ok Computer are also my two favourite albums!
I think I prefer Airbag to Zoo Station but apart from that I agree with you 100 percent, Mogi :up:

Mogi 01-01-2006 10:06 AM

Yeah, the Airbag vs. Zoo Station was a tough one too. But I guess it´s sentimental (Zoo) because I will never forget standing in line at midnight to buy AB and hearing the thrust of Edge´s opening guitar for Zoo. It sounded like a jet flew over and everyone´s jaw just dropped. Ahhh, what a moment!!

roy keane 01-01-2006 10:11 AM

Nothing beats Acrobat

angelordevil 01-01-2006 11:19 AM

Re: Achtung Baby vs. Ok Computer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mogi

These are my two favorite bands (U2 first!!), but it bothers me sometimes that critics fall all over themselves about OK Computer, but not as much about AB.

I find this frustrating, too. U2 are always way down the line for all kinds of critics' lists. I'm not sure why. Perhaps they're not viewed as being as technically gifted as bands such as Radiohead. I love them both for similar reasons: they create soundscapes and moods no other band are capable of, or at least very few of them are. The Arcade Fire are moving up the ranks.

I also think that the weirdness of Zoo Tv and Zooropa must have had an influence on Radiohead, and it probably pushed them to go the extra mile with their own sound, instead of copying it.

I'd seriously have to rank both Ok Computer and AB as equals, as each is equally brilliant.


Quote:


1. Zoo Station > Airbag
Airbag is such a great song, but Zoo Station is pure statement and of course that awesome guitar riff at the beginning.

:up:

GibsonGirl has an excellent take on Zoo..

https://forum.interference.com/showth...5&pagenumber=3

U2Man 01-01-2006 11:22 AM

I gotta learn how to appreciate Zoo Station some more one day.

Azor 01-01-2006 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1stepcloser
Achtung Baby Beats Ok Computer in every way possible for me.
Of course.

gareth brown 01-01-2006 02:12 PM

Re: Re: Achtung Baby vs. Ok Computer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ponkine
... we hope that you choke...

Zoots 01-01-2006 02:17 PM

Ok Baby.

Bono's shades 01-01-2006 02:30 PM

OK Computer is great, but it doesn't mean as much to me personally as Achtung Baby.

Axver 01-01-2006 03:15 PM

Achtung Baby slaughters OK Computer. It's not as if OK Computer is really that great anyway and I don't understand why it's so highly rated. Electioneering is a good song, but otherwise, the album's unremarkable.

namkcuR 01-01-2006 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axver
Achtung Baby slaughters OK Computer. It's not as if OK Computer is really that great anyway and I don't understand why it's so highly rated. Electioneering is a good song, but otherwise, the album's unremarkable.
Paranoid Android
Exit Music
Let Down
Karma Police
Climbing Up The Walls
No Surprises
Lucky

Chilling.

financeguy 01-01-2006 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axver
Achtung Baby slaughters OK Computer. It's not as if OK Computer is really that great anyway and I don't understand why it's so highly rated. Electioneering is a good song, but otherwise, the album's unremarkable.
IMO Electioneering is the worst song on OK barring Fitter Happier which was an interesting idea that didn't quite come off. In my view Electioneering is just an unadventurous song and not up to most of the rest of the album.

OK Computer is excellent - but nevertheless I prefer Achtung.

MacPhistoPT 01-01-2006 03:26 PM

I'm an U2 diehard and a casual Radiohead fan... OK Computer is great but overrated IMO, I prefer The Bends...

So Achtung it is, no contest...

Although Paranoid Android, Karma Police and Climbing up the walls... :drool:

babyman 01-01-2006 03:52 PM

Actually, in my opinion, The Bends is Radioheads best album.....................................................and of course i go for Baby!!

ultraviolet7 01-01-2006 03:54 PM

Well, this is no poll to me - Radiohead bores me to tears.

Zoomerang96 01-01-2006 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axver
Achtung Baby slaughters OK Computer. It's not as if OK Computer is really that great anyway and I don't understand why it's so highly rated. Electioneering is a good song, but otherwise, the album's unremarkable.
yes of course, "i don't understand" pretty much explains everything here doesn't it?

you don't get it.

but that's alright, we're at a u2 forum anyway.

GibsonGirl 01-01-2006 04:13 PM

Oh dear Lord. It's as though Achtung Baby and OK Computer are my two children and you're forcing me to decide which one I prefer over the other. I can't choose, really, I can't. They're both near perfection. Maybe I'll try rating both albums by averages, but I emphasise, I consider them just about equal.

ACHTUNG BABY

Zoo Station [4.9]
Even Better Than The Real Thing [4.0]
One [4.0]
Until The End Of The World [5.0]
Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses [3.5]
So Cruel [2.5]
The Fly [5.0]
Mysterious Ways [4.0]
Tryin' To Throw Your Arms Around The World [2.0]
Ultraviolet (Light My Way) [4.0]
Acrobat [4.5]
Love Is Blindness [4.5]

AVG: 4.00


OK COMPUTER

Airbag [4.0]
Paranoid Android [5.0]
Subterranean Homesick Alien [4.9]
Exit Music [4.0]
Let Down [5.0]
Karma Police [4.5]
Fitter Happier [2.0]
Electioneering [3.0]
Climbing Up The Walls [4.5]
No Surprises [4.0]
Lucky [3.9]
The Tourist [4.0]

AVG: 4.06


Just about the same, really.

youtooellen 01-01-2006 04:38 PM

This is a tough choice.. seeing that OK Computer was my first Radiohead album which got me to go out and buy the rest of their albums (personally love The Bends more than OK..) ...

and Achtung Baby was the album that got me utterly obsessed with U2.
But I think Achtung has more of a 'deeper' meaning to me, so I'll have to go with Achtung Baby.

AtomicBono 01-01-2006 04:58 PM

Re: Achtung Baby vs. Ok Computer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mogi
I know there was a thread similar to this a few weeks ago (comparing albums), but since there was a new thread recently about Q´s 100 best albums of all time, I thought it would be nice to compare what I consider the two essential albums of the last 20 years.
These are my two favorite bands (U2 first!!), but it bothers me sometimes that critics fall all over themselves about OK Computer, but not as much about AB.
Anyway, here is my comparison:

1. Zoo Station > Airbag
Airbag is such a great song, but Zoo Station is pure statement and of course that awesome guitar riff at the beginning.

2. EBTTRT<Paranoid Android
Both great songs and EBTTRT grooves so well, but Paranoid Android is pure genius.

3. One>Subterranian Homesick Alien
Actually more difficult than it seems to pick One. But One is One, isn´t it?

4. UTEOTW>Exit Music
UTEOTW is intense. Actually I think this is one of U2´s most stellar moments.

5.WGTRYWH<Let Down
Let Down almost brings me to tears everytime I hear it. But the mid-8 of WGTRYWH is one of the best I´ve ever heard.

6. So Cruel< Karma Police
It is "so cruel" to have to say this, but Karma Police is one of the best songs I´ve ever heard. But, aghhh it was close!!

7. The Fly>Fitter Happier
Do I really need to explain myself on this one?

8. Mysterious Ways>Electioneering
Electioneering is pretty much a marginal song that adds nothing special to the album.

9. TTTYAATW<Climbing up the Walls
Climbing of the Walls is one of the creepiest and most atmospheric songs I´ve ever heard. Just love it!!

10. Ultraviolet>No Surprises
This is a very close one too since I think these are decent but not great songs. I just think Ultraviolet has more juice to it, even with the "baby, baby, baby".

11. Acrobat>Lucky
Acrobat is INCREDIBLE!!!!! Lucky is good, but nothing special.

12. Love is Blindness>The Tourist
Both are great slow and smokey songs to end the album, but Love is Blindness is just beautiful and dripping with atmosphere.

AB-8
OK Computer-4

I think that U2 does not get enough credit for being just as forward thinking as Radiohead with their sound and vision. Remember that AB also spawned ZOO TV, which was unprecedented and set the standards of touring today.

Holy crap, I agree with that entire post. Seriously. I'd rate all the songs the same as you did. Both great albums, but Achtung takes the cake.

Of course, as far as I'm concerned, The Bends is better than OK Computer and Kid A is Radiohead's best album ever (granted I've yet to hear Pablo Honey or Hail to the Thief). Achtung is arguably U2's best album though I definitely prefer Pop. Comparing Kid A to Pop would be hard though. I think Kid A to Zooropa would be a better comparison as I think they're both the most "out there" either band has been (although I guess you could count Passengers). If I did that...

Zooropa > Everything In Its Right Place
If it were any other song, Everything... would win. But Zooropa is amazing.

Babyface < Kid A
Kid A is so beautifully strange. Babyface is good and underrated but ultimately nothing special, just a nice little pop song.

Numb < The National Anthem
I love Numb, but The National Anthem has a groove, man. There's no messing with that rhythm section.

Lemon > How to Disappear Completely
Incredibly hard choice because How to Disappear is so beautiful, but I gotta go with the more bizarre Lemon.

Stay > Treefingers
Well, duh.

Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car < Optimistic
Daddy's is badass but Optimistic is a far, far better song. And, hey, it actually has guitar - a rarity for both albums. The last 20 seconds of Optimistic alone make the song worth it.

Some Days Are Better Than Others < In Limbo
Again, In Limbo is just a better song. No competition here.

The First Time < Idioteque
The First Time is a beautiful ballad, but Idioteque is the best song on the album, hands down.

Dirty Day > Morning Bell
Okay, this is kind of unfair because I think of the superior live versions with Dirty Day though I've never heard any live Radiohead songs. This one is actually very, very close. But Dirty Day's lyrics are to die for :drool:

The Wanderer < Motion Picture Soundtrack
This one is also very close, but something about the chord change and the way Yorke sings "I think you're crazy...maybe..." gets me everytime.

So that's U2 4, Radiohead 6. I'd also say that Kid A is stronger as a whole album than Zooropa though both are very, very good as albums.

-macphisto- 01-01-2006 05:26 PM

I hate comparing 2 brilliant albums, but Im going to have to go with Achtung Baby. The reason I suppose is because there is not a song I would skip on Achtung Baby, but on Ok Computer I always skip "Fitter Happier" and sometimes "Electioneering". These albums are not overated.

xaviMF22 01-01-2006 05:48 PM

OK Computer beats the crap out of Achtung Baby, and this is coming from a guy that thinks Achtung Baby is U2's best.

gherman 01-01-2006 07:22 PM

I do not like Radiohead and I think OK Computer is extremely overated. I have all of their albums but I would rather stick a knife in my eye than listen to them.

Lemonfix 01-01-2006 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gherman
I have all of their albums but I would rather stick a knife in my eye than listen to them.
:eyebrow:

Axver 01-01-2006 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zoomerang96


yes of course, "i don't understand" pretty much explains everything here doesn't it?

you don't get it.

but that's alright, we're at a u2 forum anyway.

Oh, you're going to play the stupid "you don't 'get' the music" card? Oh, I 'get' it alright, and at times, I even enjoy listening to Radiohead's music, but I can't handle Thom Yorke's voice for more than about ten minutes. And frankly, there's a difference between doing new and inventive things with music and just sticking a fork up your arse, twisting it a few times, and claiming it's experimental music. Radiohead have done both.

If you ask me, there's significantly better music than Radiohead out there.

thelaj 01-01-2006 07:49 PM

I think Radiohead are one of the most overrated bands in history. The way people fawn over them is amzing. OK Computer, Kid A and The Bends are all good albums, but the kind of slavering that they induce seems bizarre to me.

GibsonGirl 01-01-2006 08:26 PM

I fail to see how Radiohead are overrated. But anyway.

1stepcloser 01-01-2006 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thelaj
I think Radiohead are one of the most overrated bands in history. The way people fawn over them is amzing. OK Computer, Kid A and The Bends are all good albums, but the kind of slavering that they induce seems bizarre to me.
:yes:

well said

scottyT 01-01-2006 08:43 PM

Ok Computer is painful to listen to.

I'm Ready 01-01-2006 08:44 PM

I don't think they are two albums to compare song-song

I will vote for achtung baby here, but I think the way things are graded, OK computer gets treated unfairly

Zoots 01-01-2006 08:59 PM

Yeah, I don't like doing that lateral song by song comparison! Cos say.. track 2 from album 1 may not be as good as track 2 from album 2 but album 1 may have a better overall feel! And how do you justify not comparing track 2 from here to track 5 from there? It makes no sense!

Anyway, it's Achtung Baby for me even though I love Ok Computer to death!

namkcuR 01-01-2006 09:08 PM

OKC is one of the records that I think is really, REALLY fucking brilliant, but that for some reason I don't listen to that much. I listen to AB all the time. I don't really want to choose.

Zoomerang96 01-01-2006 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axver


Oh, you're going to play the stupid "you don't 'get' the music" card? Oh, I 'get' it alright, and at times, I even enjoy listening to Radiohead's music, but I can't handle Thom Yorke's voice for more than about ten minutes. And frankly, there's a difference between doing new and inventive things with music and just sticking a fork up your arse, twisting it a few times, and claiming it's experimental music. Radiohead have done both.

If you ask me, there's significantly better music than Radiohead out there.

i was only saying what you already said.

as for your last comment about there being better music than radiohead, you're more than likely right.

doctorwho 01-02-2006 01:30 AM

Re: Re: Achtung Baby vs. Ok Computer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ponkine
As a whole listening experience...

Ok Computer by far :drool: :shocked: :heart: :rockon: :crack:

You simply can´t take Ok Computer as 12 different songs, it´s much more than that, is A WHOLE ALBUM :applaud:

... we hope that you choke...


Yes, it's a whole album of utter crap!

I tried, and tried, and tried and tried again to get into that album. In '97 when everyone was ranting and raving over it, while my interest in Radiohead and waned considerably, I ran out and bought it. What a waste of $$. But it's Radiohead and critics and fans here loved it, so I gave it my best.

However, after 8 years, I can honestly say that I feel most of Radiohead's recent work, including "O.K. Computer" is amongst the most uninspired drip I've had the displeasure of hearing. Sadly, I continue to buy their material hoping they'll find a spark of what made them somewhat interesting years ago.

Bottom line, "O.K. Computer" shouldn't even be in the same poll as AB, let alone ranked above it.

jacobus 01-02-2006 01:53 AM

OK comp is a nice album, but AB is much more better and has the perfect flow. i also think that radiohead is a bit overrated. their best album imo is 'the bends'

Axver 01-02-2006 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zoomerang96


i was only saying what you already said.

You've successfully both twisted my words and dodged my argument. Well done! :up:

timothius 01-02-2006 02:28 AM

Achtung. There are parts of OK that lose me, specifically toward the end. I also prefer the "vibe" and maturity of Achtung, but this may have a lot to do with the stage at which each band recorded the album.

OK Computer vs Joshua Tree IMO would be a far more valid (and interesting) comparison. But for the love of God, somone please don't make the thread! :no:

ponkine 01-02-2006 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jacobus
OK comp is a nice album, but AB is much more better and has the perfect flow. i also think that radiohead is a bit overrated. their best album imo is 'the bends'
It´s the first time I disagree with you mate :shocked:

Mogi 01-02-2006 06:04 AM

I pretty much created this thread to stimulate some conversation between two of the most beloved and hated bands on the planet. I can see the point that comparing song to song can be quite unfair since it is true that the whole listening experience should be measured as a whole. But anyway, it was a "measurable" and fun way of looking at it.
But I would still like to ask the question of why Radiohead is so hailed on OK and KID A as being so forward thinking and talking about our fast paced society, while U2 pretty much covered all of that from AB/ZOO TV through Pop(which I think thematically hit on the same things OK Computer was saying).
What I am trying to say is that I think U2 took on the messianic role of the new media and it´s affects(and did a great job!!) before Radiohead and I would like to see some recognition for them instead of Radiohead taking the cake for that!

angelordevil 01-02-2006 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GibsonGirl
Oh dear Lord. It's as though Achtung Baby and OK Computer are my two children and you're forcing me to decide which one I prefer over the other.
Can I be the daddy? :hyper:

Ultimately, this entire debate breaks down to taste. I find Radiohead’s music to be gut-wrenching, stark, and beautiful. It’s challenging at times, because it’s not hook-driven. Often, it’s filled with subtleties and vocal turns of phrases that ultimately grow on you like a new, but familiar, vocabulary.

Radiohead and U2, at their best, are very similar in the sense that they can take you to a dimension very few bands can. Even though they are different, they share a pureness and rawness that’s equally stirring.

These two albums could be brothers...with Ok Computer being the difficult one, but still worthy of the same attention.

MrBrau1 01-02-2006 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mogi
I pretty much created this thread to stimulate some conversation between two of the most beloved and hated bands on the planet. I can see the point that comparing song to song can be quite unfair since it is true that the whole listening experience should be measured as a whole. But anyway, it was a "measurable" and fun way of looking at it.
But I would still like to ask the question of why Radiohead is so hailed on OK and KID A as being so forward thinking and talking about our fast paced society, while U2 pretty much covered all of that from AB/ZOO TV through Pop(which I think thematically hit on the same things OK Computer was saying).
What I am trying to say is that I think U2 took on the messianic role of the new media and it´s affects(and did a great job!!) before Radiohead and I would like to see some recognition for them instead of Radiohead taking the cake for that!

Agree 100%.

xaviMF22 01-02-2006 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mogi
I pretty much created this thread to stimulate some conversation between two of the most beloved and hated bands on the planet. I can see the point that comparing song to song can be quite unfair since it is true that the whole listening experience should be measured as a whole. But anyway, it was a "measurable" and fun way of looking at it.
But I would still like to ask the question of why Radiohead is so hailed on OK and KID A as being so forward thinking and talking about our fast paced society, while U2 pretty much covered all of that from AB/ZOO TV through Pop(which I think thematically hit on the same things OK Computer was saying).
What I am trying to say is that I think U2 took on the messianic role of the new media and it´s affects(and did a great job!!) before Radiohead and I would like to see some recognition for them instead of Radiohead taking the cake for that!


because Radiohead did it better :reject:

Zoomerang96 01-02-2006 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axver


You've successfully both twisted my words and dodged my argument. Well done! :up:

for shit sakes axver, you said "i don't understand..."

that's THAT!

you DON'T get it, and you never will. and that's fine. but because you clearly don't get radiohead's music, it doesn't mean it's tripe.

it might very well not be the greatest, or even as good as u2, but your "arguement" is absurd considering you don't even have an educated opinion on the matter!

and when you said "i don't understand...", you proved it!

there is no arguement. both are great albums, and to say one's better than the other would be a waste of everyone's time, as far as i'm concerned. both are internationally respected and at this point, it's pretty clear that only personal preference determines what's "better".

ZeroDude 01-02-2006 01:51 PM

For a start musical taste is subjective and at that I prefer “Achtung Baby” to “Ok Computer” however they are both amazing albums and are made up of some of the finest contemporary recordings ever in my opinion.

That’s it there is no contest, these versus threads are starting to drag and we all know that they have no agreeable conclusion that will pander to all parties.

angelordevil 01-02-2006 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZeroDude


That’s it there is no contest, these versus threads are starting to drag and we all know that they have no agreeable conclusion that will pander to all parties.

:up: The polls and versus threads should spark a great debate, not a riot. :|

U2Man 01-03-2006 07:34 AM

ZeroDude is right as usual, but people will always need their silly little wars in here. :wink:

yimou 01-03-2006 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zoomerang96

there is no arguement. both are great albums, and to say one's better than the other would be a waste of everyone's time, as far as i'm concerned. both are internationally respected and at this point, it's pretty clear that only personal preference determines what's "better".

There you go :up:


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