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bsp77 07-19-2005 05:33 AM

Harry Potter - WARNING - READ ONLY IF FINISHED BOOK 6
 
THIS IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO FINISHED BOOK 6, SO NO COMPLAINING OF SPOILERS.

Ok, so once again I loved the book. I noticed some complaining in the other thread that it is not as good. I disagree, while it may not have as much adventure or action until the very end, it has much more of an emotional impact than any of the other books. It is also a great set-up for the finale. I am just pissed that I probably have to wait 2 years to read the final one.

I am a little pissed about Dumbledore though. Not that he died exactly, but because I knew it would be him. Rowling said that a major character would die, and I (dumbass that I am) read the chapters titles at the beginning of the book and saw "Phoenix Lament" and was 95% sure it would be him. That will teach me not to read the chapter titles, but the Harry Potter ones had never given anything like this away before. I am surprised that it was Snape that did him in. Despite the chapter in the beginning, I still believed Snape was good, probably just because Dumbledore did.

Chizip 07-19-2005 05:59 AM

aww crap, this ruined it for me

macphister 07-19-2005 06:03 AM

so who's the half-blood prince?

hero 07-19-2005 06:10 AM

Snape is the Half-Blood Prince:shifty:

Catlady 07-19-2005 06:11 AM

Snape.

I loved it. Started it Saturday night and finished Sunday afternoon. It will be interesting to see what she does with the next one...

wizard2c 07-19-2005 06:16 AM

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Interesting wizard note from the book...........

"And, in an eerie parallel Rowling could not have foreseen, the Kings Cross station where Harry catches the Hogwarts Express is the same station where the London bombers met and set out on their deadly mission on July 7."

carol
wizard2c
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So the future is written....you just need to foresee where it is.

U2@NYC 07-19-2005 06:51 AM

YOU RUINED IT, YOU RUINED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:wink:

doctorwho 07-19-2005 08:08 AM

I didn't think the book was bad, but I'd say it was the weakest of the six I've read so far. This is the equivalent to saying that certain U2 albums aren't as strong as others. We all have a least favorite U2 album - but when compared to other artists, that album shines. Same is true with this book. I feel it's a solid book, but the weakest of her "Potter" work to date.

I have no problem with limited action. All her books are that way, having a climactic finale. I fully expect the same in Book 7, with perhaps a final chapter to close things up.

Unlike you, I knew Dumbledore was doomed after reading Book 5. He readily was able to handle Riddle/Voldemort. That alone suggested that he had to be "removed" if we are to see the big battle between Potter and Voldemort. I was disappointed, however, in how she had him die. Seems a somewhat ignoble way for what is arguably the most powerful wizard alive to pass on - an apparent attack from one he trusted.

Of course, this leads to what may be the most interesting theory of them all - perhaps Dumbledore trusted Snape so much because he wanted and fully expected Snape to kill him when the time came. Maybe Dumbledore's pleas weren't for mercy or for Snape to help him, but rather for Snape to fulfill the "contract" he might have made with Dumbledore years earlier. Perhaps Dumbledore knew that in order for Voldemort to be defeated, he (Dumbledore) had to die. Perhaps Trelawney made another prediction that got to Dumbledore's ears.

So it leads to a whole array of interesting plots. Was Snape the apparent traiter he now appears to be? Or was this all pre-arranged by Dumbledore? Hmmm... :hmm:

wizard2c 07-19-2005 11:30 AM

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"Seems a somewhat ignoble way for what is arguably the most powerful wizard alive to pass on - an apparent attack from one he trusted."

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As a wizard myself, I trust no-one. In fact I have a saying that stays with me and that is from the Lord of the Rings and it says:

"The elves find happiness when they trust in themselves"

It may sound selfish but I am the only one I trust, so I would agree with you....it does appear an ignoble way for a powerful wizard to disappear from the scene.......I'm sure there is another place and another time for wizards to be born once again....as time itself is endless.

Sorry for the rambling..............just my thoughts about the subject.

carol
wizard2c

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bammo2 07-19-2005 12:57 PM

I still think there's going to be a twist regarding snape's involvement in the death

I have wondered if snape had been put under the imperius curse, or maybe that there was polyjuice potion involved :hmm:

there's just something about it that doesn't seem right. Although I am sure that there's probably passages in the book that disprove anything like that.....I just really feel that somehow the whole snape thing will turn out to be not so straight forward...

doctorwho 07-19-2005 01:47 PM

I completely agree. The fact that Snape killed him so readily suggests something "fishy".

There's a line in the book stating how Snape's face suddenly "filled with rage" and then he performed the curse. Snape would never have such hatred for Dumbledore - I don't think it would be possible. However, Voldemort would. It's highly possible for polyjuice potion to be involved here. The "Death Eaters" used in throughout Book 4, so why not use it again in Book 6? Perhaps Voldemort disguised himself as Snape to infiltrate Hogwarts (a place he clearly loved). Voldemort would also easily be able to commit to making the "Unbreakable Bond" (or whatever it was called) with Draco's mother.

Or, as I was suggesting, perhaps Dumbledore already knew he was going to die, so he made a pact with Snape to kill him at a certain time or under certain circumstances. Dumbledore would readily sacrifice himself for the greater good.

Still, it's such an ignoble way for Dumbledore to leave the book series that I can't help but feeling that Dumbledor will make a "return" in some capacity. Maybe that sounds too Obi-Wan like, but there's something to that...

Lila64 07-19-2005 05:28 PM

Guess I don't have to read the first 5 now. Phew!

My daughter just started the 6th. I haven't read any of them :reject:, but I have seen the movies, for whatever that's worth...

IrishDawg 07-19-2005 06:11 PM

I am completely baffled w/ Snape doing the killing like the rest of you. I thought for sure that at the beginning, when it was suggested he was a death eater once again, that he was being a double-double agent and finding information for Dubledore. I don't think it was Voldemort himself doing the Imperius curse on Snape as someone else mentioned. Remember where Snape was running to the gate, he sad Voldemort had to kill Harry, not the death eater who attacked from behind.

Something is very strange here. :huh: As mentioned above, it seems quite possible that Doubledore was going to have Snape kill him at the right time. Maybe this would gain Voldemort's trust in Snape, and then he could give the Order of the Pheonix members info on the hecruxes or w/e the hell they were called.

I am quite convinced that Snape is still on the good side. If you recall, after Dumbledore died, McGonagle said that Dumbledore always had a reason for trusting Snape that he never told anyone. Dumbledore is obviously the smartest person in this book. There would be no reason for him to let a death eater teach at his school if he hadn't had the best reason in the world. I am gonna die waiting for the 7th one :(

UnforgettableLemon 07-19-2005 07:04 PM

Yep. I'm definitely on the side of Snape's still being on the Order's side. Severus is my homeboy.

00Kevin 07-19-2005 09:09 PM

Obviously, if snape were still on the order's side, he wouldn't have killed their most powerful member. Regardless, if he's still on the good side, no one's going to trust him and he's going straight for azkaban. Also, if dumbledore knew snape was going to kill him and that this was so harry could have the big showdown with voldermort, why would dumbledore have to be dead?? All he could do is help harry in killing volermort, and harry 's chances of finding all the remaining horcruxes is much smaller with no dumbledore to help. Finally, i highly doubt harry, ron, and hermione won't be going to hogwarts next year. They could use the extra defense against the dark arts instruction, and Mcgonnagle(excuse spelling) could help them in finding the horcruxes previously owned by either gryffindor(which could be the sword from chamber of secrets), or by ravenclaw.

Sue DeNym 07-19-2005 09:21 PM

POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT
 
Speaking of Horcruxes, I think I know who left the phony Horcrux.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD...AT LEAST A HALF-BAKED THEORY...DO NOT READ THE REST OF THIS POST IF YOU WANT TO BE SURPRISED IN BOOK SEVEN!











I believe that the one who left the bogus Horcrux is none other than Sirius' little brother, Regulus Black. The initials on the note are R. A. B. In book 5, one of the items they came across while cleaning the Black house was "a locket nobody could open". That's the real Horcrux; the real Locket of Slytherin. And Harry's going to have to hunt it down now, since it's probably in some wizard landfill somewhere...

Techie2000 07-19-2005 09:24 PM

The reason Snape did the killing is because he had to after he made the Unbreakable Vow and Malfoy couldn't do it. Whether Snape made the vow because he really was evil, or because he pitied the Malfoys, I am not 100% sure but I'd say it's because he really was working for Voldemort.

IrishDawg 07-20-2005 04:19 AM

Re: POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT
 
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Originally posted by Sue DeNym


I believe that the one who left the bogus Horcrux is none other than Sirius' little brother, Regulus Black. The initials on the note are R. A. B. In book 5, one of the items they came across while cleaning the Black house was "a locket nobody could open". That's the real Horcrux; the real Locket of Slytherin. And Harry's going to have to hunt it down now, since it's probably in some wizard landfill somewhere...

Ahhh, I don't know why I didn't think of that. That's gotta be one of the horcruxes.

BTW, wtf was with the word "snogging"? Is that like the European word for making out? :wink: :huh:

Techie2000 07-20-2005 05:09 AM

Yeah, I wasn't sure about that either. They kept using that, and then the word "row" instead of "fight" I guess we're reading the Queen's English.

Sue DeNym 07-20-2005 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by IrishDawg
BTW, wtf was with the word "snogging"? Is that like the European word for making out? :wink: :huh:
Yes. https://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/s.htm

The link is to a dictionary of British slang. Worthwhile to peruse while reading HP. :)

I am so looking forward to Book 7. I'm sure Harry will return to Hogwarts, if only to get more training and the required NEWTS to be an Auror. Perhaps Prof. McGonagall will talk sense to him.


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