Vertigo Tour v 360 Tour

[ZOOTVTOURist]

And i have seen more shows on this tour than you Mikal and i m confirming that this is the WEAKEST TOUR OF U2 EVER

Yep@mikal – this is a fact for me, too. Otherwise any of the tours from BOY to Vertigo must have been weaker – which I deny ...

 

[mikal]

Sorry, but you "confirming" that 360 is better than Vertigo just made me laugh that hard – thanx for this!

omg!!111 ur welcome!!!11

 

[BVS]

And i have seen more shows on this tour than you Mikal and i m confirming that this is the WEAKEST TOUR OF U2 EVER

Vertigo x 2 = 2 new songs.



Sorry if I don't take your "confirmation" seriously.

 

[mikal]

Yep@mikal – this is a fact for me, too. Otherwise any of the tours from BOY to Vertigo must have been weaker – which I deny ...

shows that opinions are like....yeah, i was going to use that old tired phrase.

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

Vertigo x 2 = 2 new songs.

Vertigo twice is better than "Get On Your Boots" once ...

 

[LoveTownTourist]

Obviously you have a restricted perspective so i doubt verry much your opinion. Well if you like the tour than go ahead and enjoy it but you will NEVER see 5 or more U2 Tours in your life thats for sure so enjoy them as much as you can they will dissapear faster you can imagine!!!!

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

shows that opinions are like....yeah, i was going to use that old tired phrase.

No problem: I am right, you are wrong ...

 

[BVS]

Vertigo twice is better than "Get On Your Boots" once ...

Uh, NO, and you missed the point.

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

Uh, NO, and you missed the point.

Okay, and you believe in 360 being better than Vertigo – that is what I call missing reality ...

 

[mikal]

Obviously you have a restricted perspective so i doubt verry much your opinion. Well if you like the tour than go ahead and enjoy it but you will NEVER see 5 or more U2 Tours in your life thats for sure so enjoy them as much as you can they will dissapear faster you can imagine!!!!

umm...i've seen 5 U2 tours in my life. the fact that you would make that assumption without knowing me shows that you're obviously someone who should not be taken seriously.

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

1. NLOTH: You have 7 new songs, 3 of them already are singles.

2. From the album before, HTDAAB, you play two tracks: Vertigo and COBL. Both of them are singles.

3. From their 'comeback' album ATYCLB, U2 played on a regular basis five tunes. First IALW, which was a non-single but not by chance was taken out of the setlist from the 2nd half of the leg on. The other four tunes (BD, Elevation, SIAMYCGOO, WO) are all – singles!
The inbetween ATYCLB and HTDAAB tune, Electrical Storm, which unfortunately was too seldom performed by the way was a single, too.

4. From POP you again show no courage to play even one tune ...

5. From ZOOROPA you only play one tune: It is called "Stay" – and it was the album's lead single!

6. From ACHTUNG BABY you play, apart from the regular exceprion UV and the much rarer exception UTEOTW only the hit-singles: One, MW

7. From RATTLE AND HUM, the band first went to play, now you should really have guessed the 360 pattern, two singles: Desire and AOH – only to be thrown out of the later European setlists.

8. From TJT, we get the first three tunes – which were all singles, by the way.

9. Apart from the rare "Bad" and the snippeted "MLK", the regular choices for TUF are the title track and "Pride" – which are all, yes, singles.

10. And the last album to date to be played looking back is WAR, with SBS and NYD being the known Greatest Hits singles...

Even with the beautiful "Your Blue Room" played in a shabby way, 360 is a U2 singles' tour – a much more stable tour (and IMO in parts simply boring and too much ruled by the machine).

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

umm...i've seen 5 U2 tours in my life. the fact that you would make that assumption without knowing me shows that you're obviously someone who should not be taken seriously.

Which tours did you attend, if I may ask?

 

[BVS]

Okay, and you believe in 360 being better than Vertigo – that is what I call missing reality ...

I don't think you've actually seen me make a call yet, for I haven't seen 360 yet. But the "logic" that I've seen to make the case for Vertigo over 360 is extremely flawed and being argued by mostly "nostalgia" fans.

 

[mikal]

Which tours did you attend, if I may ask?

ZooTV
Popmart
Elevation
Vertigo
360

i would personally rank them:

1. ZooTV
2. Popmart
3. Elevation
4. 360
5. Vertigo

 

[BVS]

but you will NEVER see 5 or more U2 Tours in your life thats for sure so enjoy them as much as you can they will dissapear faster you can imagine!!!!

Why do you even make such assumptions? I don't get it...

 

[No spoken words]

I'm not in this idiotic debate, but, I've now seen six tours:

JT
Zoo TV
Popmart
Elevation
Vertigo
360

That does not make my opinion weightier than someone who has seen them less, just saying that some of us have seen them often, and over many many years.

For the record, I still prefer the Vertigo Tour, but that has more to do with set list choices than anything else.

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

I don't think you've actually seen me make a call yet, for I haven't seen 360 yet. But the "logic" that I've seen to make the case for Vertigo over 360 is extremely flawed and being argued by mostly "nostalgia" fans.

Again, you can not get away with such a nonsense answer. I am not nostalgic – and you simply do not want to/are not able to find more convincing arguments/facts than me. Isn't it?

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

I'm not in this idiotic debate, but, I've now seen six tours:

JT
Zoo TV
Popmart
Elevation
Vertigo
360

That does not make my opinion weightier than someone who has seen them less, just saying that some of us have seen them often, and over many many years.

For the record, I still prefer the Vertigo Tour, but that has more to do with set list choices than anything else.

100% agreed, it all has to do with the set list choices – nothing more, nothing less. That is why I prefer Vertigo to 360 ... By the way: Where did you see them in 1987? How would you rank your feelings then to Vertigo or 360?

 

[Roland of Gilead]

 

[LoveTownTourist]

Ok...here are some facts:


Vertigo Single:

Chart (2004) Peak
position
Australian ARIA Singles Chart 5
Austrian Singles Chart 4
Belgium Singles Chart 16
Canadian Singles Chart 2
Dutch Singles Chart 2
Finnish Singles Chart 2
Greece Singles Chart 1
Irish Singles Chart 1
Italian Singles Chart 1
Latvian Singles Chart 1
Norwegian Singles Chart 2
Swedish Singles Chart 2
New Zealand RIANZ Singles Chart 5
Japanese Singles Chart 10
UK Singles Chart 1
U.S. Billboard Hot 100 31
U.S. Billboard Hot Dance Club Play 8
U.S. Billboard Hot Modern Rock Tracks 1
U.S. Billboard Mainstream Rock Tracks 3
U.S. Billboard Pop 100 10


Sometimes you can´t make it on your own:

Chart (2005) Peak
position
Australian ARIA Singles Chart 19
Canadian Singles Chart 1
Chilian Singles Chart 12
Danish Singles Chart 2
Dutch Singles Chart 2
German Singles Chart 23
Irish Singles Chart 3
Latvian Airplay Chart 1
Norwegian Singles Chart 6
Portuguese Singles Chart 1
Spanish Singles Chart 1
Swedish Singles Chart 24
UK Singles Chart 1
U.S. Billboard Adult Top 40 15
U.S. Billboard Hot 100 97
U.S. Billboard Modern Rock Tracks 29
U.S. Billboard Pop 100 87


City of Blinding lights

Chart (2005) Peak
position
Spain Singles Chart 1
Mega Top 100 Singles - The Netherlands 2
Danish Singles Chart 2
UK Singles Chart 2
Canadian Singles Chart 2
Irish Singles Chart 8
Swedish Singles Chart 8
Australian Singles Chart 31
USA: Billboard Adult Top 40 40


All because of you

Year Chart Position
2005 Canada 1
2005 Billboard Modern Rock Tracks 6
2005 Billboard Mainstream Rock Tracks 20
2005 UK 4
2005 The Netherlands 8
2005 Australia 23
2005 Latvia 27
2005 Norway Top 20 13


Now...NOLTH Tracks in compare:

Get on your boots

Chart (2009) Peak
position
Australian ARIA Singles Chart[35] 26
Austrian Singles Chart[35] 11
Belgian Top 50[35] 14
Canadian Hot 100[31] 3
Dutch Top 40[35] 16
French Singles Chart[36] 6
German Singles Chart[35] 19
Irish Singles Chart[35] 1
Italian Singles Chart[37] 4
New Zealand Singles Chart[35] 20
Norwegian Singles Chart[35] 5
Spanish Singles Chart[35] 1
Swedish Singles Chart[35] 8
Swiss Singles Chart[35] 65
UK Singles Chart[35] 12
U.S. Billboard Hot 100[38] 37
U.S. Billboard Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks[39] 26
U.S. Billboard Hot Modern Rock Tracks[40] 5
U.S. Billboard Pop 100[41] 40
U.S. Billboard Triple A Tracks[42] 1


Magnificent

Chart (2009) Peak
position
European Hot 100 Singles 34 [19]
Belgium Singles Chart (Flanders)[20] 27
Belgian Singles Chart (Wallonia) 14
Canadian Hot 100[20] 68
Dutch Top 40[20] 27
Greek Airplay Chart[21] 2
Irish Singles Chart[20] 5
Slovak Airplay Chart[22] 37
Swedish Singles Chart[20] 16
U.S. Billboard Hot 100[23] 79
U.S. Billboard Hot Dance Club Play[24] 2
U.S. Billboard Triple A Tracks[25] 2
UK Singles Chart[26] 42


Crazy tonight

Chart (2009) Peak
Position
Canadian Hot 100[33] 72
Dutch Tipparade[30] 4
Irish Singles Chart[34] 7
UK Singles Chart[35] 32
U.S. Billboard Triple-A Tracks[31] 8


Obviously is that beside the first single Boots every other release of the album has been failed to get a chart position wich means that the majority of the people doesn´t care about U2 single releases from NOLTH.

Obviously is to see that the Vertigo Single releases has made their chart position even in the later releases wich shows that also those songs found their customers.

Right now U2 Material is about to get more and more dust in their shelves on it. In this result we can come to a conclusion that the new material wich you praise as the best ever isn´t seen by the majority of the people wich comes to the clue that it is only for you personally the best but not for the rest of the world.

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

More facts ... Now where are the 360 defenders, praising the tour being better than Vertigo '05/'06? Hm, they seem to have left the battlefield. Better so, I guess...

 

[mikal]

More facts ... Now where are the 360 defenders, praising the tour being better than Vertigo '05/'06? Hm, they seem to have left the battlefield. Better so, I guess...

well, if you guys are going to use chart positions to argue which tour is better, than i'm going to start using ticket sales to my advantage when arguing which of Edge's guitar solos is my favorite.

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

well, if you guys are going to use chart positions to argue which tour is better, than i'm going to start using ticket sales to my advantage when arguing which of Edge's guitar solos is my favorite.

Maybe it would just be easier, if you could name the facts/points, why you think 360 is better than Vertigo?

 

[LoveTownTourist]

Ticket Sales Vertigo Tour:

Box office score data
Venue City Tickets Sold / Available Gross Revenue
iPay One Center San Diego 29,140 /29,140 (100%) $2,909,029
Arrowhead Pond Anaheim 33,335 /33,335 (100%) $3,454,198
Staples Center Los Angeles 34,527 /34,527 (100%) $3,673,850
HP Pavilion San Jose 36,140 /36,140 (100%) $3,454,198
Glendale Arena Glendale 34,905 /34,905 (100%) $3,198,161
Pepsi Center Denver 36,714 /36,714 (100%) $3,509,741
Key Arena Seattle 30,251 /30,251 (100%) $3,205,574
GM Place Vancouver 37,031 /37,031 (100%) $3,020,466
United Center Chicago 77,173 /77,173 (100%) $7,541,679
Wachovia Center Philadelphia 39,273 /39,273 (100%) $3,767,178
Continental A. Arena East Rutherford 40,347 /40,347 (100%) $3,838,066
Madison Square Garden New York 18,415 /18,415 (100%) $1,907,086
Fleet Center Boston 51,658 /51,658 (100%) $5,071,565
K.B. Stadium Brussels 60,499 /60,499 (100%) $4,864,544
Veltins Arena Gelsenkirchen 59,120 /59,120 (100%) $4,803,947
City of Man' Stadium Manchester 107,671 /107,671 (100%) $11,119,740
Twickenham Stadium London 110,796 /110,796 (100%) $13,677,410
Hampden Park Glasgow 53,395 /53,395 (100%) $5,819,053
Croke Park Dublin 246,743 /246,743 (100%) $21,163,695
Millenium Stadium Cardiff 63,667 /63,667 (100%) $6,406,073
Ernst Happel Stadium Vienna 55,645 /55,645 (100%) $4,200,416
Stadion Slaski Chorzow 64,711 /64,711 (100%) $3,127,416
Olympic Stadium Berlin 70,443 /70,443 (100%) $4,725,530
Amsterdam ArenA Amsterdam 60,349 /60,349 (100%) $11,822,645
Letzigrund Stadion Zurich 40,260 /40,260 (100%) $3,174,993
San Siro Milan 137,427 /137,427 (100%) $7,565,260
Stadio Olimpico Rome 67,002 /67,002 (100%) $4,010,779
Valle Hovin Oslo 40,000 /40,000 (100%) $3,765,136
Ullevi Stadion Gothenburg 58,478 /58,478 (100%) $4,081,864
Parken Copenhagen 50,000 /50,000 (100%) $3,650,294
Olympiastadion Munich 77,345 /77,345 (100%) $5,343,379
Stade Charles E. Nice 51,900 /51,900 (100%) $3,548,702
Camp Nou Barcelona 81,269 /81,269 (100%) $5,130,437
Estadio Anoeta San Sebastian 43,720 /43,720 (100%) $2,936,571
Estadio V. Calderon Madrid 57,040 /57,040 (100%) $3,679,354
Estadio Jose Alvalade Lisboa 55,362 /55,362 (100%) $4,492,762
Air Canada Centre Toronto 82,572 /82,572 (100%) $7,624,870
United Center Chicago 38,815 /38,815 (100%) $3,795,583
Target Center Minneapolis 39,328 /39,328 (100%) $1,823,883
Bradley Center Milwaukee 19,336 /19,336 (100%) $1,782,895
TD Banknorth Garden Boston 34,488 /34,488 (100%) $3,381,429
Madison Square Garden New York 93,275 /93,275 (100%) $9,658,009
Wachovia Center Philadelphia 39,305 /39,305 (100%) $3,733,053
Verizon Center Washington 31,181 /31,181 (100%) $3,902,569
Mellon Arena Pittsburgh 16,899 /16,899 (100%) $1,636,798
The Palace Of A.H. Auburn Hills 41,379 /41,379 (100%) $3,951,103
Toyota Center Houston 17,002 /17,002 (100%) $1,652,699
American Airlines Center Dallas 17,988 /17,988 (100%) $1,689,471
Estadio Tecnologico Monterrey 50,347 /50,347 (100%) $4,504,026
Estadio Azteca Mexico City 141,278 /141,278 (100%) $10,257,284
Estadio do Morumbi São Paulo 149,700 /149,700 (100%) $11,682,557
Estadio Nacional Santiago 77,145 /77,145 (100%) $5,000,589
Estadio de River Plate Buenos Aires 150,424 /150,424 (100%) $6,966,821


any more questions .....

 

[mikal]

Maybe it would just be easier, if you could name the facts/points, why you think 360 is better than Vertigo?

because i don't feel the need to change other people's opinions. i personally liked the 360 Tour better, and i'm comfortable with that. my original post saying that i was "confirming" which tour is better was pretty much making fun of the fools who feel the need to post facts or YouTube videos to justify their opinion. and if that's what you feel you need to do, well maybe you're not comfortable in your own skin. unfortunately, i can't help you with that.

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

...so more than "sold out" is not possible, hm ... Another one for "Vertigo" ...

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

because i don't feel the need to change other people's opinions. i personally liked the 360 Tour better, and i'm comfortable with that. my original post saying that i was "confirming" which tour is better was pretty much making fun of the fools who feel the need to post facts or YouTube videos to justify their opinion. and if that's what you feel you need to do, well maybe you're not comfortable in your own skin. unfortunately, i can't help you with that.

Thanx, Dr. House for this analysis – which is, unfortunately, wrong. Why did you like 360 better, then? The question is still not answered ... This is not because "to change others' opinions" – I just long to understand, what you personally prefered to '05/'06 ...

 

[mikal]

Thanx, Dr. House for this analysis – which is, unfortunately, wrong. Why did you like 360 better, then? The question is still not answered ...

well, before i go on, i need to know what i win if i do indeed win this argument.

 

[ZOOTVTOURist]

well, before i go on, i need to know what i win if i do indeed win this argument.

There is no winner: What did you prefer? The show as a spectacle? The stage? The atmosphere? The set list? The mass crowd reaction? Just let me know, so I understand your point of view ...

 

[No spoken words]

100% agreed, it all has to do with the set list choices – nothing more, nothing less. That is why I prefer Vertigo to 360 ... By the way: Where did you see them in 1987? How would you rank your feelings then to Vertigo or 360?

Brendan Byrne arena, May 1987.

I've never seen a concert as amazing as that show, so I cannot begin to compare it to 360 or Vertigo. It was transcendant. I hoenstly had no idea how moving music could be until that show.