Random Movie Talk XV: You Asked For It, Cobbler - Page 9 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Lemonade Stand > Zoo Station
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-25-2017, 04:26 PM   #161
Blue Crack Supplier
 
No spoken words's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Where do YOU live?
Posts: 43,249
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Yeah, I didn't walk out of La La Land thinking it was the best movie I'd seen in ages or all year, but, I definitely walked out happier than when I walked in. I had a smile on my face throughout most of it, which I probably say less and less as it pertains to film/TV. Part of that pertains to my own choices and tastes, obviously, but still.
__________________

No spoken words is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2017, 04:42 PM   #162
Blue Crack Distributor
 
bono_212's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 83,744
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by No spoken words View Post
You'd think that with my love of film combined with my living the bulk of my adult life in LA and having friends in the industry that I'd give a shit about the Oscars or whatnot, but, I literally could not care less and cannot recall the last time I watched. Not saying that I don't understand why people do pay attention, I of course understand that.....but for me, it just does not matter. Not sure why.
It's really the only awards ceremony of any kind I care about. But I care about it almost OBSESSIVELY.
__________________

__________________
bono_212 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2017, 10:23 AM   #163
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
gump's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 9,939
Local Time: 10:49 PM
I like La La Land a great deal. But if the Academy can't make a point of choosing a critically acclaimed unconventional movie about gay black men a year after #Oscarstoowhite and three months into Mr. Orange's term, it's a problem. Particularly if they go for a movie about jazz in which the only black character is a pop musician and sort of the "villain". I get why La La Land could (and probably will) win, and I would probably be defending it most years, but it's a shame still. Again: just mildly annoyed, as Moonlight has already received all the critical praise it deserves.

I thought the SNL skit was spot on, by the way.

'SNL' unleashes 'La La Land' police on all the haters
gump is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2017, 10:44 AM   #164
Blue Crack Addict
 
Lancemc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ba Sing Se
Posts: 17,690
Local Time: 11:49 PM
I thought La La Land was more or less amateurish Film Bro crap. Yes we get it Damien Chazelle, you've seen a couple Minnelli and Demy movies, but you have no idea what makes them compelling.
Lancemc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2017, 11:39 AM   #165
Self-righteous bullshitter
 
BoMac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Soviet Canuckistan — Socialist paradise
Posts: 16,900
Local Time: 12:49 AM
They're remaking Scarface with Leonardo DiCaprio as Tony Montana. Why...?
__________________

BoMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2017, 01:57 PM   #166
Blue Crack Supplier
 
lazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 41,406
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gump View Post
the only black character is a pop musician and sort of the "villain".
That's reductive, and Chazelle has said himself that he agrees with some of the points made by Legend's character in what is a fair discussion about the future/preservation of jazz.

Re: Moonlight, the voters aren't choosing what is the most acclaimed. Each person votes for what they connect to the most. Considering the makeup of the voting body, I don't think we're quite there yet with something small and culturally specific like Moonlight. Personally I think it's very encouraging that such a film inspired enough passion amongst the membership to get enough #1 votes to secure so many nominations, but it won't be a travesty or surprising if it doesn't win Best Picture.
lazarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2017, 02:37 PM   #167
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
gump's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 9,939
Local Time: 10:49 PM
I agree with you on mostly everything. And yes, the nomination itself is an accomplishment for an independent movie that is "challenging" for most viewers. But I'll still see this as a missed opportunity if/when it ends up losing, given the historical context. And I think part of the point of Moonlight is that, as specific that experience was, the humanity of it is universal. Of course the Academy will identify more with a movie about Hollywood/LA/Jazz/musicals, which in itself is a synthom of the diversity problems in the country more broadly.

I agree that my statement was reductive, but there were some grating aspects to La La Land's story that, again, are reflective of bigger issues: the white man trying to save jazz; the white man mansplaining to the woman why she actually does like jazz; etc. Fair point on the Legend character, and his trajectory in the movie is more nuanced than one would expect, but still.

I'm not even sure why I'm insisting on this point, as I like La La Land a lot. The final sequence in that movie was wonderful, one of my favorite experiences of the year. I guess I'm just a huge fan of Moonlight not only as a movie, but as a pièce de résistance.
gump is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2017, 07:52 PM   #168
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Polish-American Stronghold PA
Posts: 4,144
Local Time: 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazarus View Post

Re: Moonlight, the voters aren't choosing what is the most acclaimed. Each person votes for what they connect to the most. Considering the makeup of the voting body, I don't think we're quite there yet with something small and culturally specific like Moonlight. Personally I think it's very encouraging that such a film inspired enough passion amongst the membership to get enough #1 votes to secure so many nominations, but it won't be a travesty or surprising if it doesn't win Best Picture.

I'm through 7 of the 9 Best Picture Noms. Still have to see Lion and Fences. Should be done by Wednesday. Moonlight does have a niche audience. It felt very authentic. Just got boring in the 3rd Act.

If I were a voter I would say I'm undecided between Hell or High Water, La La Land, Manchester-by-the Sea, and Hacksaw Ridge at this point.

I think only Hell or High Water is a 10/10 execution in the movie it sets out to be. Modern Western set against a Socio-Economic environment where the 'townsfolk' see the line between law/robbers blurred.
Oregoropa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2017, 08:06 PM   #169
More 5G Than Man
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 68,575
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Anything but Hacksaw Ridge. Well-meaning overall and I liked that a risk was taken in utilizing such a jarring tone between the two halves, but the first half felt like generic Oscar bait fare and the protagonist was fairly one-note throughout in a Ned Flanders kind of way despite his rough backstory. The other characters weren't much better, mostly cannon fodder with a standout trait here or there (my problem with Rogue One as well). Andrew Garfield's performance was great, and Mel Gibson is always great at filming people getting slaughtered, but that wasn't enough to save the bland script.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2017, 10:21 PM   #170
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Polish-American Stronghold PA
Posts: 4,144
Local Time: 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LemonMelon View Post
Anything but Hacksaw Ridge. Well-meaning overall and I liked that a risk was taken in utilizing such a jarring tone between the two halves, but the first half felt like generic Oscar bait fare and the protagonist was fairly one-note throughout in a Ned Flanders kind of way despite his rough backstory. The other characters weren't much better, mostly cannon fodder with a standout trait here or there (my problem with Rogue One as well). Andrew Garfield's performance was great, and Mel Gibson is always great at filming people getting slaughtered, but that wasn't enough to save the bland script.
Mel knows how to take a viewer on a romanticized journey with a hero character. I fell in love with Dorothy right along with Desmond. I had a tear in my eye when he finally came off the ridge. However, the sugar mixed with Mel's carnage is an jarring pairing. I gave the movie 9/10.

I think La La Land and Hell or High Water are both better movies.
Oregoropa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2017, 10:34 PM   #171
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
gump's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 9,939
Local Time: 10:49 PM
Has anyone watched Paterson? I've had it on my list for a while but finally managed to catch it this weekend, and I'm pretty sure it's one of the best films of 2016 (top-5 or so for me). Paterson's broad theme - the beauty of everyday life - really resonated with me. Jamursch and Elmes bring that theme to life through impeccable camerawork and composition that bring even the most mundane things to life. Seriously, I'm not sure there is a single scene in the entire film that is not perfectly shot.

Adam Driver is great in it. Between his work here and in Silence, he's looking more and more like an emerging star (his Star Wars performance was not that convincing, I thought).
gump is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2017, 03:07 PM   #172
Blue Crack Addict
 
Lancemc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ba Sing Se
Posts: 17,690
Local Time: 11:49 PM
Just want to say moonlight is great and the thing it's act is easily what elevates it.
Lancemc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2017, 02:34 AM   #173
Blue Crack Supplier
 
lazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 41,406
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gump View Post
Has anyone watched Paterson? I've had it on my list for a while but finally managed to catch it this weekend, and I'm pretty sure it's one of the best films of 2016 (top-5 or so for me). Paterson's broad theme - the beauty of everyday life - really resonated with me. Jamursch and Elmes bring that theme to life through impeccable camerawork and composition that bring even the most mundane things to life. Seriously, I'm not sure there is a single scene in the entire film that is not perfectly shot.

Adam Driver is great in it. Between his work here and in Silence, he's looking more and more like an emerging star (his Star Wars performance was not that convincing, I thought).
I am far from a Jarmusch fan, probably can count the films of his I liked on one hand (Ghost Dog, Dead Man to name a couple). But the trailer interested me and I enjoy poetry, so I thought I'd check it out.

Really dug this. A great character study, but also a great portrait of a place. The touch of mysticism with the recurring twins and the Japanese tourist at the end elevated it beyond the mundane as you put it, as nice as it was without it.

Driver was solid, though nothing superlative IMO. Loved the girlfriend.

I don't think I ever got around to posting any kind of year-end list, so here's mine:

1. Julieta (Pedro Almodovar, Spain)
2. Silence (Martin Scorsese, USA/Taiwan)
3. The Lobster (Yorgos Lanthimos, UK/Ireland/Greece)
4. The Handmaiden (Park Chan-Wook, South Korea)
5. My Golden Days (Arnaud Desplechin, France)
6. Embrace of the Serpent (Ciro Guerra, Colombia/Venezuela/Argentina)
7. Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade, Germany/Austria)
8..Cemetery of Splendor (Apichatpong Weersethakul, Thailand)
9. Fences (Denzel Washington, USA)
10. Paterson (Jim Jarmusch, USA)


And my honorable mentions (a lot this year), in no order:

Tale of Tales (Matteo Garrone, Italy/France/UK), Hail, Caesar! (Joel & Ethan Coen, USA), The Nice Guys (Shane Black, USA), La La Land (Damien Chazelle, USA), Moonlight (Barry Jenkins, USA), Midnight Special (Jeff Nichols, USA), Knight of Cups (Terrence Malick, USA), Evolution (Lucie Hadzihalilovic, France), Arrival (Denis Villeneuve, USA), The Fits (Anna Rose Holmer, USA), Rules Don't Apply (Warren Beatty, USA), Elle (Paul Verhoeven, France), Things to Come (Mia Hansen-Løve, France/Germany), Cafe Society (Woody Allen, USA), Aferim! (Radu Jude, Romania/Bulgaria), Jackie (Pablo Larrain, USA/Chile), Indignation (James Schamus, USA), Love & Friendship (Whit Stillman, Ireland/France), The Red Turtle (Michaël Dukok de Wit, France/Belgium/Japan), Dheepan (Jacques Audiard, France), Manchester By The Sea (Kenneth Lonergan, USA)
lazarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 05:07 AM   #174
More 5G Than Man
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 68,575
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Lion was alright. The first half is kinetic, surprising filmmaking full of discovery and show-don't-tell writing. Sunny Pawar is absolutely unmissable as a young Saroo Brierley and the effect of it all is haunting and emotionally stirring. What a fucking great first hour. This was really gunning for my top 5 for a while there.

Then, because Weinsteins, the rest of it is this weird, Oscar bait romantic drama that's clumsy, poorly paced and has no idea what it's trying to say or do. Things happen so quickly it's impossible to keep track of motivations or get invested in anything. The romantic storyline with Rooney Mara is a huge waste of time and adds nothing but name value. They put their noses together a lot and sad music plays. Who fucking cares? I love Rooney, but her character blows.
 
There's this one argument she has with Dev Patel that's literally just noise. Her character might be on drugs here...maybe? And there was a dance sequence to Blind by Hercules and Love Affair to establish what year it was, so that set up some tension, I guess. Then they go outside and scream random bullshit at each other that wasn't established as being in character at all. "WE'RE ALL SO PRIVILEGED," shouts Dev Patel, who not 20 minutes before acted like India was a shithole worthy of his ire. Then he ate some Indian food and now he can't breathe unless he reunites with his mother. OK. This argument is only here to separate the two characters for a while and inject some drama, which this movie doesn't need more of.


Nicole Kidman must be a fucking wizard because most of her lines are way too obvious or telling to land and, yet, they somehow do when she delivers them. Very good performance. Patel is good too, doing his best with a character that doesn't know whether he's coming or going in any given scene.

Anyway, after all the nonsense,
 
everything is solved by chance and sets up a big emotional ending and hey it's a true story so this is great give us all the awards please now many thanks!!


I'm giving this a 7/10 because I can't just ignore that half of the movie is fantastic, but what a clusterfuck. Go over to metacritic and if you read any of the mixed reviews for Lion, they're all saying the exact same thing: the first half is excellent and the second half is awful.

In better news, Paterson and Toni Erdmann are coming to the NoHo Laemelle, so I should be seeing those soon. Fences tomorrow, La La Land sometime next week.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 02:00 PM   #175
Blue Crack Supplier
 
lazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 41,406
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Have you still not seen Silence?

Would seem like more of a priority than Lion.
lazarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 02:56 PM   #176
More 5G Than Man
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 68,575
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Seeing all the best picture noms has been a tradition for me since 2012, for better or worse.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 03:25 PM   #177
Blue Crack Supplier
 
lazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 41,406
Local Time: 07:49 PM
If it's preventing you from seeing a new Scorsese before it vanishes from theatres, I'd say worse.
lazarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 10:43 PM   #178
Blue Crack Distributor
 
bono_212's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 83,744
Local Time: 07:49 PM
We were supposed to go, but my schedule at work is so unpredictable, I ended up working two out of the last three weekends. Hopefully it's still in next weekend, I'm taking a mini vacation, because I think I'll implode soon otherwise.
__________________
bono_212 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 10:46 PM   #179
Blue Crack Distributor
 
bono_212's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 83,744
Local Time: 07:49 PM
Also I fell asleep during the last 25 minutes of Lion, but from what I saw, I basically agree 100% with Travis' assessment.
__________________
bono_212 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 03:41 PM   #180
Blue Crack Supplier
 
lazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 41,406
Local Time: 07:49 PM
2017 ICS Award Nominees


PICTURE
• Cemetery of Splendor
• Certain Women
• Elle
• Jackie
• Julieta
• Manchester by the Sea
• Moonlight
• Silence
• Things to Come
• Toni Erdmann

DIRECTOR
• Maren Ade – Toni Erdmann
• Pedro Almodóvar – Julieta
• Barry Jenkins – Moonlight
• Martin Scorsese – Silence
• Paul Verhoeven – Elle
• Apichatpong Weerasethakul – Cemetery of Splendor

FILM NOT IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
• Aquarius
• Being 17
• Cemetery of Splendor
• Cosmos
• Elle
• Embrace of the Serpent
• The Handmaiden
• Julieta
• Mountains May Depart
• Things to Come
• Toni Erdmann

ACTOR
• Casey Affleck – Manchester by the Sea
• Adam Driver – Paterson
• Colin Farrell – The Lobster
• Andrew Garfield – Silence
• Jae-yeong Jeong – Right Now, Wrong Then
• Peter Simonischek – Toni Erdmann

ACTRESS
• Sonia Braga – Aquarius
• Sandra Hüller – Toni Erdmann
• Isabelle Huppert – Elle
• Natalie Portman – Jackie
• Zhao Tao – Mountains May Depart

SUPPORTING ACTOR
• Mahershala Ali – Moonlight
• Tom Bennett – Love & Friendship
• Alden Ehrenreich – Hail, Caesar!
• André Holland – Moonlight
• Issei Ogata – Silence

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
• Viola Davis – Fences
• Lily Gladstone – Certain Women
• Sandrine Kiberlain – Being 17
• Nicole Kidman – Lion
• Masami Nagasawa – Our Little Sister

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
• Cemetery of Splendor – Apichatpong Weerasethakul
• The Lobster – Yorgos Lanthimos, Efthymis Filippou
• Manchester by the Sea – Kenneth Lonergan
• Things to Come – Mia Hansen-Løve
• Toni Erdmann – Maren Ade

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
• Certain Women – Kelly Reichardt
• Elle – David Birke
• Julieta – Pedro Almodóvar
• Love & Friendship – Whit Stillman
• Moonlight – Barry Jenkins, Tarell Alvin McCraney
• Silence – Jay Cocks, Martin Scorsese

CINEMATOGRAPHY
• Embrace of the Serpent – David Gallego
• Evolution – Manuel Dacosse
• Jackie – Stéphane Fontaine
• Moonlight – James Laxton
• Silence – Rodrigo Prieto

EDITING
• Arrival – Joe Walker
• Elle – Job ter Burg
• Jackie – Sebastián Sepúlveda
• Moonlight – Joi McMillon, Nat Sanders
• Silence – Thelma Schoonmaker

PRODUCTION DESIGN
• Hail, Caesar! – Jess Gonchor
• The Handmaiden – Seong-hie Ryu
• Julieta – Antxón Gómez
• La La Land – David Wasco
• Silence – Dante Ferretti

SCORE
• Elle – Anne Dudley
• Jackie – Mica Levi
• Julieta – Alberto Iglesias
• The Neon Demon – Cliff Martinez
• The Red Turtle – Laurent Perez Del Mar

ENSEMBLE
• Certain Women
• Elle
• Julieta
• The Lobster
• Moonlight

ANIMATED FILM
• Kubo and the Two Strings
• My Life as a Zucchini
• The Red Turtle
• Your Name
• Zootopia

DOCUMENTARY
• Cameraperson
• Francofonia
• Fuocoammare
• No Home Movie
• O.J.: Made in America

BEST PICTURE NOT RELEASED IN 2016
• Brothers of the Night
• The Death of Louis XIV
• Despite the Night
• Happy Times Will Come Soon
• The Lost City of Z
• Nocturama
• The Ornithologist
• Personal Shopper
• A Quiet Passion
• Sieranevada
• Slack Bay
• The Son of Joseph
• Staying Vertical
• Sweet Dreams
• Yourself and Yours
__________________

lazarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com
×