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Zeitgeist Movie
A few days ago, my sister e-mailed me this online movie - which is about various conspiracy theories. One of them is the origins of Christainity, and how the stories of Jesus have a lot in common with those of ancient pagan gods, like Horus and Dionysius. It also says Christianity is a parody of ancient paganism and astrology.
__________________Now, I am not giving up my faith over one movie, but I have had a lot of questions after viewing this film. I am open minded, and I am just curious what others think about these theories. Is there any truth to them? Is there any logical explanation to them? I'm sure we could have a good - hopefully civil - discussion about them. The theory about Christianity is from 9:44 - 35:55. (I know its long, but it does hold your attention) The rest are 9/11 and Federal Reserve conspiracies. If you want to discuss those, please start another thread and don't derail this one! Thanks! http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ |
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i found it really interesting. i will try to find time to watch the whole thing.
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In short, yes, the connection to these mythologies and Christian mythology has a basis in fact. These connections have also been known for centuries, with tradition stating that Satan merely went back into the past and altered history to create the illusion of Jesus' divinity being fabricated. I tend to view this tradition as being preposterously naive.
You could also take the 20th century view of C.S. Lewis, who accepted both the validity of this pagan mythology and the validity of Jesus Christ: Quote:
Of course, I'm fully aware that many do look at this as evidence of Christianity being a fraud based on unoriginal mythology. Occam's Razor, as we interpret it today, would also hold that position (although William of Ockham, being a Christian monk, said that it did not apply to matters of God, who existed outside the realm of reason). And I'm okay with that, frankly. However, as I have demonstrated, those with faith need not abandon it needlessly nor viciously condemn this mythology as being "a Satanic hoax." Both faith and reason can coexist here, from a theological point-of-view. |
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I've not seen that film, but in college I took some theology and early history classes where we studied the Enuma Elish creation story. Very interesting! I believe it is older than the Christian creation narrative. It's almost as if someone took the Enuma Elish/Epic of Gilgamesh, changed some details to their liking, and added their own moral code. Hmmm
![]() ![]() I do believe that Jesus existed (I won't get into whether or not he was truly divine) b/c there are non-religious contemporary (to his time) sources corroborating his life, but I've always been a firm believer that pretty much ALL of the Old Testament is metanarrative and myth. I personally don't need factual evidence that everything in the Bible happened as it says in order for the stories to contain "truth". I won't ever use one narrative or creation story to discredit another. They all contain elements of truth relevant to the collective human experience. |
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What if that "someone" was God Himself? (the Christian "Father") . He wanted to come to earth and present Himself in a manner people would understand, so he did it in a way that took from pagan ideolgies. He chose to speak their language. Thus Jesus came to Earth in a familar manner.
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if that were true, then people would suddenly feel awfully stupid about killing each other over religion. and that's just crazy talk. |
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That was very interesting, thanks. I especially liked the first part - the second parts about 9/11 and the Banking conspiracy I've heard before, but the part about religion was great.
__________________WTF was with the newscaster, Diane Sawyer?, calling that lunatic from Florida brave because she had a chip implanted into her baby? "After 9/11...." ![]() |
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