Your thoughts on obesity, eating disorders, etc. - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-26-2002, 05:09 PM   #21
Refugee
 
oktobergirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: the middle
Posts: 1,874
Local Time: 03:46 AM
I have been at both ends of the spectrum.

A skinny tall child , I got a little chubby in high school, then lost the weight in college and my 20's. By 30, I had gained about 20 extra lbs. And at 5'9 and at my largest I was 166 lbs. I have since lost about 15-20 lbs. Absolutely normal, right?

I moved from Missouri to Los Angeles 3 years ago and let me tell you. Out of most of my friends here, I am the largest one. They are all super skinny! It is hard sometimes but living in LA is tough if you are over a size 8! I don't really worry about it but it's pretty disgusting sometimes when you see Hollywood glamourize these women when they so obviously have an eating disorder.

Our society needs some real help.
__________________

oktobergirl is offline  
Old 04-26-2002, 07:24 PM   #22
Refugee
 
moon_is_playing_tricks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Belmont Shore, CA (I prefer flying a kite at the beach, really.)
Posts: 2,204
Local Time: 04:46 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by oktobergirl:
I moved from Missouri to Los Angeles 3 years ago and let me tell you. Out of most of my friends here, I am the largest one.
Heh. I'm bigger'n you. Bigger and wider. LOL. Still, I know what you mean. Out of most of my friends, I'm the tallest and the biggest. I've always been that way... even when I was thinner. Being a size 10/12 at 5'10", that may be larger to some, but what my grandmother and my mom should have kept in mind was that I was only 14 years old and I had a higher muscle mass. I ran after school every day, I played sports. I was extremely active. I take after my father in bone structure, so my hands and feet are large, I have broad shoulders (I *hate* shoulder pads... I don't need to look like a football player, thankyouverymuch! ), and I have long legs and arms. Basically, built just like my dad. I even walk like him. Unfortunately, as a junior in high school, my mother felt that I was getting too fat - I was 5'11 3/4" and weighed 160 pounds - and sent me to the local Y to take aerobic lessons. She even forced me to get out on the rowing machine, set to the most resistant-setting and made me row for a half hour. I ended up with blisters across each hand, even if I was wearing gloves. To this day, I refuse to get on a rowing machine. I don't care what that thing does, I won't do it. My mother's misconceptions of my weight was one of the leading causes of my weight problem. I look back at my diary entries from when I was 13-16 years old, and I was obsessing back then about how much weight I needed to lose. My mom didn't help me any - she encouraged me to lose weight and made me get on the scale every day. I tried to tell her that muscle weighs more than fat, but she wouldn't see it. She thought a size 14 was too fat and I should be size 10. It would have been physically impossible for me to get into a size 10 at that height - my bone structure wasn't a size 10 anymore. I still had a flat stomach and yet I was considered fat. Yet, my mother pushed and pushed and pushed for me to lose weight. She even went so far as to go to the Y to see if I was actually participating in the aerobics classes. She didn't believe me. It was horrible. I started gaining wait midway through my senior year because of the major stress of my parents' divorce. Imagine my horror, about five years after I graduated (and about 75 pounds overweight) my mother saying how I would look good if I weighed about what I weighed as a sophomore in high school. But, I told her, you thought I was fat back then! She didn't remember putting me through all the mental anguish she put me through.

Quote:
Our society needs some real help.[/b]
Not only does our society need help, but parents should also realize the damage they can do to their children in regards to weight. My mother didn't realize she was doing what she was doing until many years later. In many ways, how we are brought up will dictate how we bring up our children. It's a viscious cycle that really needs to be broken - like oktobergirl said, our society needs help: we need some sort of education in the schools starting at an early age that will teach kids how to eat properly. Many of us were taught to "finish everything on our plates or we wouldn't get desert/couldn't leave the table" - how many of you feel guilty about leaving your plate half-full? I do all the time. What makes me sick is seeing the diet of the middle school kids I teach. Did you know most of my students live on eating chips and soda for lunch? We have a cafeteria, but most of that food is either tossed or not even taken. We used to have soda machines on campus, but they were taken away - all of the sodas were regular sodas filled with sugar. We took away their chips, so now they buy brownies and other sweets during lunch in the lunch lines. Most of the fruit the kids eat is canned fruit, not fresh. Instead of a soda machine, now there's a Power Aid or whatever - most of those contain sugar, too. No wonder my students are either bouncing off the walls or too tired to do anything. Half the students don't even eat lunch. Many of my girl students don't eat breakfast because it "makes them sick" or they "don't want to gain weight."

Society needs a huge kick in the ass when it comes to proper nutrition, and having a fast-food restaurant on every corner of every street (almost) in America isn't gonna cut it.

And, spinny, you're welcome for the hugs. I don't want you to think you're not supported here. you know I hang out in PLEBA more often than not, but I've been branching out and reading what some of the other folders have to say. Very insightful, if you ask me.

On a side note, I've found a really cool place to buy clothes and they're made to fit people who are of the larger persuasion. Lane Bryant. And you know what? They constantly show a fashion show in New York put on with KISS and let me tell you... some of those women had more rolls and more things bouncing around than I have... I figure if they have the guts to do that, I should. heh. Don't know if you'll find me in a nighty strutting down a runway anytime soon, but if I get up the gumption to do it, I'll let y'all know. LOL.

Oh, and dream weaver, please don't think we're complaining or whining about our weight and letting people dictate our lives. I'm getting more support out of this one thread on weight issues than I've gotten anywhere else. I just think it's a great way to get other viewpoints and to see what others are going through in these times we live in.

Moonie



[This message has been edited by moon_is_playing_tricks (edited 04-26-2002).]
__________________

moon_is_playing_tricks is offline  
Old 04-26-2002, 08:52 PM   #23
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
HeartlandGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 7,033
Local Time: 04:46 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by oktobergirl:

I don't really worry about it but it's pretty disgusting sometimes when you see Hollywood glamourize these women when they so obviously have an eating disorder.

Our society needs some real help.
This is exactly one of the attitudes I'm trying to change, here. I can agree, there are probably a lot of starving actresses in Hollywood who are literally starving. But just because someone is skinny doesn't mean they have an eating disorder.

Moonie, thanks for sharing your experiences. Your post was an interesting read.

------------------
U2 @ The Blooming Heart
HeartlandGirl is offline  
Old 04-27-2002, 03:41 AM   #24
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
HeartlandGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 7,033
Local Time: 04:46 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by dream wanderer:
I don't understand why you women let these things get to you????

Why aren't you happy with yourselves the way you are?

Why can't you tell those people who comment on your weight to go to hell (in a much nicer way of course)????????

I believe in being healthy...living right...exercise and all that...but I'll be damned if I'm going to allow some unseen entitity to have control over my life...

This may seem harsh...but I just don't get it. If the women on the magazine covers are upsetting you...stop looking at them! If people's comments are bothering you...ignore them..

This also seems to be a 'white woman thing' btw...I have had African-American friends and they just don't seem to have this problem and laugh at white women who do (I know this cause as an Indian they let me in on some of their bull sessions...) They agree that living healthy is a good thing...but their lives do not revolve around it...

dream wanderer
It's a good point to say that we should tell people to shut the hell up, although it is easier said than done. But I think you're wrong in thinking that this controls our lives. Speaking for myself, I certainly think about thousands of other things more often than my weight. I just started this thread to discuss it, not obsess over it. And I'm not trying to say that I'm not happy with myself---I'm unhappy with the way people think they have the right to comment on my body whenever they feel the urge.

Also, I think it isn't just a women's problem. More and more, men are struggling with weight issues. I have known several men more obsessed with their weight than any woman. It's definitely a topic worth discussing, I think.

------------------
U2 @ The Blooming Heart

[This message has been edited by HeartlandGirl (edited 04-26-2002).]
HeartlandGirl is offline  
Old 04-27-2002, 03:45 AM   #25
Refugee
 
spinninghead77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 2,392
Local Time: 07:46 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by HeartlandGirl:
It's a good point to say that we should tell people to shut the hell up, although it is easier said than done. But I think you're wrong in thinking that this controls our lives. Speaking for myself, I certainly think about thousands of other things more often than my weight. I just started this thread to discuss it, not obsess over it.

And I only posted in this thread to give people some insight into the mind of someone who struggle's with their weight.


------------------
***Spinny***
"I don't know about you, but I feel good about the fact that I still haven't found what I'm looking for"-Bono, 1987

"Be uncool, yes be akward!"
spinninghead77 is offline  
Old 04-27-2002, 07:17 AM   #26
The Fly
 
Jenn121's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 274
Local Time: 06:46 AM
Thought I'd throw in my two cents:

I was on the train one afternoon last year (actually going to a U2 concert) and I was listening to these three teenage girls sitting across from me. One of them said "I think I'll go anorexic" and I wanted to scream at them. I have dealt with both anorexia and bulimia for over 10 years. They are addictions. You think you are in control but you are not. You think you can stop but you can not. You think someday you will be "normal" but you do not realize that every day you will have to make a conscious effort to be healthy. To remind yourself that normal people eat at breakfast, lunch, and dinner (and do not throw it up afterwards). Hollywood holds up the image of the stick-thin actress but doesn't show the ugliness involved in eating disorders.

Spinny, you are in a dangerous place. I am constantly there, you will never think you are thin enough no matter if you are a size 7 or a size 0. Please seek help because I can tell you that this is not a road you want to go down. Like these girls on the train, I wanted to have an eating disorder when I was young (how messed up is that) but I never realized that this was a life-long thing. I wish I could go back and shake my younger self out of such a cocky attitude.

Now I am trying to get pregnant and suddenly I'm begging a body that I have done nothing but abuse to work for me. It has taken me over 10 years to realize that I will only have 1 body for my whole life and that I need to take care of it.

Jenn121 is offline  
Old 04-27-2002, 08:12 AM   #27
*Stormy*
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Local Time: 11:46 AM
I would consider myself a food addict in the way some are drunks or junkies. I HAVE to have food. It makes my day. It makes my life. I eat when I'm sad to cheer myself up. I eat when I'm happy to celebrate! I love to eat. I don't eat because I'm hungry, I eat because I like food, and it's good. Appetite suppressants wouldn't work for me, because I eat when I'm not hungry. I don't believe in the 'lifestyle modifacation' and 'change your eating habits' crap because no one is going to convince me I don't like chocolate, greasy burgers, gooey cheese, mayonnaise and pasta. I do, and I want to eat them. The taste of them makes my life more enjoyable. To think that I'd have to live the rest of my life on tasteless 'lowfat' foods, steamed or raw vegetables and water I'd just as soon keel over now.

So- do I have a weight problem? No! I eat, I get fat, no problem! LOL! Okay seriously, this is the story: when I was a teenager I was one of those girls who could eat anything and everything and it just didn't stick. I was naturally a good size. But as I got older, it stuck to me faster. Over several years, I had gone from 125 (I'm 5'6" and I was skinny) to 189. My Mom said I had really changed my 'look' and didn't look like myself. She said I looked like someone stuck a tire pump up by butt and blew me up, and she wanted to stick a pin in me like a balloon and let out all the excess air so I'd look like myself again!

My brother had been heavy since childhood, and he went on a diet and lost 50 pounds in three months. I said, if he can do it, so can I. I did! I lost down to 139, which was a good size for me and I was proud. I didn't want to be a bag of bones, just smaller. People who saw me couldn't believe it and told me not to lose more because my face was looking sunk in and my arms were boney. The air was out of the balloon at last.

How did I do it? I ate 1000 calories a day, regardless of what it was. If it was a double cheeseburger at 750 calories, I knew I could only have a bowl of cereal the rest of the day. After I started losing, it was okay to 'cheat' once every week to ten days and chow right on down at the buffet and it didn't show. Once in awhile does not hurt, don't deprive yourself or it will only make you feel more hopeless and wanting to give up. That is what made me give up in the past, all those diets that wanted you to weigh your broccolli on a little scale, or give you points in a book and then you only lose one or two pounds a week. Uh-uh. I needed to see results for my suffering! My cousin lost 110 pounds in six months the same way. Oh, I also walked, and rode a bike for exercize, but I never went to classes or joined any clubs and I never bought any how-to tapes. One more thing, and this is gross- my brother and I satisfied our taste for sweets with what he called the "Clinton Diet"- you know how Clinton said he smoked but didn't inhale? Well this was eating and not swallowing. No, I don't mean bullimia. I mean, bite it, chew it up, get the taste of it in your mouth, and spit it out. As disgusting as that may sound, it works, because you don't feel deprived of that glazed donut and you don't have to let your eyes water at the sight of German chocolate cake. You feel satisfied because your mouth got the flavor and the chewing, but the calories never hit your stomach. I'm telling you, this worked, and I couldn't have lost the weight without it.

Still, I love food. After staying slim for four years, I took up with a group of friends who liked to eat out. I ate, and I ate, and it was in places where there were big meals and I couldn't "Clinton" anything. Then I got back into snacking on donuts and cake at night. After two years of this, I had regained almost all the weight. But, I lost it again, with U2 as my inspiration. When I heard they were touring, in Jan. 2001, I thought, I can do this again, so I won't be fat at the shows. By May I was wearing my cool jeans again. It worked!

But- since the tour has ended, and I have become very depressed for several reasons and very addicted to the internet (duh!) I am starting to pack it back on. I haven't gained it all, but enough that I can't wear hardly any of my clothes, and my mom is calling me fat again. (BTW, all my siblings and their spouses have or have had some sort of weight problem, but I am the only one she has ever made fun of or criticizes) So for me, not for my Mom, or my husband, or U2, but for me, I'm going to try to fit into my cool outfits again by summer. Wish me luck, and good luck to everyone on this thread, no matter who you are or how you feel or what you want to do. And, yes, I know yo-yo dieting is VERY unhealthy. Maybe this will be the last time, but probably not.
 
Old 04-27-2002, 02:03 PM   #28
Refugee
 
moon_is_playing_tricks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Belmont Shore, CA (I prefer flying a kite at the beach, really.)
Posts: 2,204
Local Time: 04:46 AM
Oh Stormy.... please be careful.

As you said, it's not healthy to yo-yo like that. You're sending your body into major fits every time you lose weight so quickly.

I love food, too. I enjoy going out to eat, which was a luxury I didn't experience very much as a child. I gained most of my weight because of eating out - my main problem was I worked swing/grave yard shift, would go out to eat, then go to bed right afterwards. The shape I had after being on my college swim team for a year (I was down to a size 34 in men's jeans - which I believe is a 14 in women's, is it not?) was fast going away.

What we all have to consider, too, is that each of us is different - the diet that works on Stormy may not work on me, and the diet I try to live by may not work on Stormy.

I'm an naturally active person, but carrying all the weight around that I've been carrying is doing bad things to my knees and ankles. It hurts to run. I used to be able to run after school without a support bra. Wooo Hooo! Having size A/B breasts and being 15 years old, those were the days! Now I gotta strap myself in. Which is why I stick with swimming. I'm a killer backstroker - you wanna race? Just kidding. LOL

I'm sure a lot of you will agree with me on this: there just doesn't seem to be enough time in the day. However, I suppose it's an excuse... I'm going to start swimming again - even if my racing suit is a bit on the tight side. LOL.

Thanks for the feedback on this, ladies (and gents). I'm feeling a bit better about myself.

Moonie
moon_is_playing_tricks is offline  
Old 04-27-2002, 02:46 PM   #29
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
WildHoneyAlways's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: In a glass case of emotion
Posts: 8,158
Local Time: 06:46 AM
I guess it's time for my 2 cents....

First of all I'd like to recommend swimming to everyone as a great way to live heathlier. It is much easier on the joints and it works more muscle groups than running.

Anyway, I have never been "skinny" but thin instead. I was involved in competitive swimming for about 11 years. I have large shoulders and back thanks to backstroke and butterfly. I never had a body image problem until I entered college. Granted, it was my own fault that I gained weight. I have know many girls with eating disorders. I joined a "good" sorority on my campus and was horrified at the things girls did to thier bodies. One girl in my pledge class starved herself to the point of sterility in highschool and she can no longer have childern. Bulimia was the big one though. You could see the difference in the girls hair and teeth. One of my close friends has her teeth capped b/c she threw up so much she wore away the enamel on her teeth. Our chapter started a secret program to follow our sisters into the bathroom after meals to make sure they were not purging what they just ate. Some girls asked for this help, some didn't. I would say that there were about 15-20 girls out of 130 with eating disorders, maybe more. I'm not at all saying that sorority life is at all to blame. These girls came from all different backgrounds and many of them had these problems before coming to college.

I guess my point is if you suspect a friend has a problem don't be afraid to confront them. They might be too afraid to ask for help.
WildHoneyAlways is offline  
Old 04-27-2002, 04:44 PM   #30
MacPhisto's serving wench
 
The_Sweetest_Thing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Inside a bubble
Posts: 3,773
Local Time: 06:46 AM
I'm a dancer. What can I say?

I danced for recreation throughout my entire life. Not even competitively. Anyhow, I was lucky enough that the hours and hours of dance I spent each week combined with good genes alllowed me to remain very thin. I say 'lucky' because I know many who did not suffer the same fate as me.

When I got older (around or so) I was promoted to the Pre-Professional Program at my dance school--a big honour. More hours, harder work. Then we started weigh-ins. Each month we were weighed to 'check' our weights so that we would 'be aware.' I mean, for godsake, we were 13. Going through puberty. Obviosuly our weight shot up sometimes at strange intervals. There were times that I felt huge (at 5'5 and 110lbs, I wasn't). I saw so many girls go on diets, stop eating.

Over the years I've known my share of dancers. Girls who collapsed because of hunger. Teachers who have blatently told skinny girls that they were fat. Someone once told me that they attended the National Ballet of Canada and the toliets would overflow each night because of all the girls throwing up. I was an assistant to an examiner once adn she whispered to me, "You know, that girl is wuite good despite her 'problem.' It's a shame, really." 'She' was in reference to the best dancer in the class, who was bout 20lbs overweight.

Luckily for me my dance school wised up and started producing 'healthy' dancers as opposed to heroin waif chicks.

I'm now in 1st year university. I've gained about 4-7lbs this year. Do I care? Not particularly. I'm upset because I'm not as strong as I used to be (less dance). My mom tells me that I'm fatter than I used to be (I'm 125lbs and 5'5 1'2). Do I care? No. I'm only out to impress me.

I had a cousin that died of anorexia. I'm not letting that happen.


[This message has been edited by The_Sweetest_Thing (edited 04-27-2002).]
The_Sweetest_Thing is offline  
Old 04-27-2002, 08:28 PM   #31
Refugee
 
OzAurora's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: The Sunshine Coast, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 1,612
Local Time: 10:46 PM
Weight problems are so annoying- whilst I myself have never had an eating disorder and I try not to buy into the whole beauty/model media image thing- it is so hard not to worry about what you look like when you are a woman. I am tall 5'8 and weigh generally around the 65kgs ( I think that is 145pounds ) but I always look a bit big as I have big bones and am very broad from years of swimming and I have such an hourglass and curvy figure- I think I could do a million sit ups a day and never have a flat stomach- now my weight generally dosnt bother me, I like looking womanly but I do gt very self conscious around men as I think that they all want stick thin supermodels and it dosnt help when you have a good friend who looks just like Elle McPherson and when you go out with her you see how men just drool over her....so I guess to make it short I am generally happy with the way I look around my women friends however get me around men and I become very insecure as I believe that they are the main ones who buy into that perfect image thing- well the guys around here sure make me feel like that.......does any of this make any sense??????
OzAurora is offline  
Old 04-27-2002, 09:09 PM   #32
pax
ONE
love, blood, life
 
pax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Ewen's new American home
Posts: 11,412
Local Time: 07:46 AM
I was the skinny little stick girl you all hate, who could eat pizza and ice cream to her heart's content and never gain an ounce...

Then I went through puberty.

I'm almost 20, five feet tall and I weigh in at 135. Which I know is slightly overweight, but I don't look it because I have C/D cup breasts and wide hips. Thus my figure looks pretty balanced.

I don't believe in the idea of the "democracy of beauty"--that is, that cultural notions of beauty are in fact very open and democratic because *anyone* can be beautiful (physically.) Well, this is not true. Sure, people can get nose jobs and liposuctions and what have you these days, but only people who can *afford* it. And that's not all that democratic, now, is it?

I agree that people ought to eat and live in a healthful manner. I try to (though I obviously don't fully succeed! ). But what I have a problem with is the judgment of people who are overweight as people who "aren't trying." Some people are overweight, and they are no less deserving of love and respect for it.

Saying that people should love their bodies how they are doesn't mean that they shouldn't take care of those bodies. But a person should love their whole selves as they are, *while* working toward possible improvement. No one should judge themselves or be judged for carrying around a few extra pounds. I personally admire the campaign of those women at Harvard. They are not encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle; they are alerting everyone to the dangers of assuming that models are the average, which they are not.

------------------
Well, the God I believe in isn't short on cash, mister. --Bono

But a day will come
In this dawning age
When an honest man
Sees an honest wage.
--The Edge
pax is offline  
Old 04-28-2002, 04:10 AM   #33
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Saracene's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Melbourne, Australia, some time after tea
Posts: 6,325
Local Time: 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by dream wanderer:
I don't understand why you women let these things get to you????

Why aren't you happy with yourselves the way you are?

Why can't you tell those people who comment on your weight to go to hell (in a much nicer way of course)????????

I believe in being healthy...living right...exercise and all that...but I'll be damned if I'm going to allow some unseen entitity to have control over my life...

This may seem harsh...but I just don't get it. If the women on the magazine covers are upsetting you...stop looking at them! If people's comments are bothering you...ignore them..
It's easier said than done, you know, especially with teen girls at the super-sensitive time of their lives. Try telling that to an overweight thirteen-year-old who gets called names and sniggered at every day at school.
Saracene is offline  
Old 05-02-2002, 08:57 PM   #34
Refugee
 
what a bomb!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Winchester, England
Posts: 1,101
Local Time: 11:46 AM
Give me a girl where I can I burn my arse on the light bulb when I'm on top anyday! I love curves!
what a bomb! is offline  
Old 05-06-2002, 07:28 PM   #35
The Fly
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 149
Local Time: 07:46 AM
My best friend is recovering from anorexia. Let me tell you, when she was anorexic, I went through hell. There's nothing worse than having a friend with such a lack of confidence in themselves... I felt so guilty that I allowed my friend's perspective on herself to twist in such a way. I believe that being anorexic is one of the most hurtful and selfish things you could do to a friend. Watching someone you care about just fade away to nothing, ignoring your pleas, is just horrid. The fact that your opinion on their weight means nothing, and that they don't trust you when you yell "you aren't fat!" takes a lot out of a friendship.

Thankfully, somehow, she was pulled out of that mindset. I like to think I had a hand in making her realize the truth. I'm quite lucky. My body metabolism has always allowed me to eat whatever I wish without gaining any weight... It's odd. You can only control your diet and exercise to a certain extent. Your genes and metabolism control so much weight-wise. At my age (I'm a young teen), I can't even begin to count how many girls are insecure. They all want to look like a model. I'm thin, I've never had to worry. It's a helpless feeling when you watch a friend repeat over and over "I'm fat, I'm a loser" when they're so... thin.

I'm still the skinny little stick girl everyone hates (in paxetaurora's words). I wish people could realize that... obesity is defined differently for everyone. But of course, my opinion means nothing since I'm thin. So says everyone who's ever seen me.

------------------
i'm too busy to see you
you're too busy to wait
FlyGirl is offline  
Old 05-07-2002, 02:02 AM   #36
The Fly
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: SouthWest U.S.A
Posts: 61
Local Time: 11:46 AM
I'm really interested in people's perceptions of overweight and underweight people, and how the media or other influences might affect those perceptions.

I am personally appalled by the media's perception of what is ATTRACTIVE.
(UPDATE: I just read this great article that capsulized my thoughts about AMERICAN culture at this moment>
"As a newly affluent "youth market," it was baby boomers who helped usher in a commercialized popular culture that has become more powerful and awful than they could have imagined. You don't have to be Bob Dole or Dan Quayle to believe that virtues such as self-restraint and discipline are getting harder to sell, and ever more socially desirable. Adolescent drift and empty hedonism can't be brushed off merely as a phase, readily outgrown. For some vulnerable teen-agers, these traits can't be outgrown. Think of all the inner-city girls who have babies, and all the inner-city boys who are dead.[Hulbert, Slate 1996]"

A lot of how we perceive the world is governed by how we perceive ourselves. Not in all cases though.

Subconsciously people say things that are forced into their brains by media and NOT JUST fashion mags but MEDICAL SOURCES.

I have found the medical industry to be just as OFF as the fashion industry because they want to sell drugs like fen-fen and redux and such just like the fashion police want to sell their clothes.

When you're 42 and wearing size 14 and want to go to the beach this summer and you need a swimsuit...where do you go buy one? Does it matter if you buy it online or at a department store where most of the women shopping with you are the same size? Yes, in that department store are racks filled with suits best for your teenage daughter. Why is that? Cuz, your teenage daughter is obviously the BIGGEST market at the time. Society is telling our overweight mothers to not bother going out to the beach with their daughters! And the daughters are saying, I'd rather not go out to the beach with my mother anyway...sad, but true. The family unit is being trampled on and most families aren't doing a damn thing about it. It's all about the love of profit in the media. Parents be on guard what you allow into your household...even certain attitudes.

Most kids today in HS and JUNIOR HIGH are being praised more for their athletic abilities than for their cerebral ones. So, the corruption in perception is being propagated by major leaders of the community, teachers and coaches. I wish extracurricular sports was more about learning how to play as a team rather than competition and athletic prowess (which is purely genetic in some sports i.e. basketball, but short people can kick ass too; there lies the personal perception thing).

I know my body will not look like this forever. I know I will have to start eating better and excercising more. My maternal grandmother is overweight and has diabetes. My mother is overweight and has hyperglycemia. I'm 25 and the same height as them at my age; 5'7.5", and weigh the same as they did at my age BEFORE they had children; 145lbs. We are all big boned. So, I guess having kids has a LOT to do with changing body chemistry!
So, all those models out there with kids have told us that they had to work DAMN hard to keep their body in shape after giving birth 3 or 4 times.

My family has had to deal with "fat" comments from everyone including, yes, even ME. I've learned this about it. It was very sensitive for them and way out of line for ME to tell them what they should do with their bodies and about something as personal as weight. I know, that if I wasn't the little ms. I am that I would be hurt too by the slightest insinuation that I was too fat...even though I already knew that as a fact. However, my mothers being who they are did not immediately WHACK me in the face...they just were obviously hurt and said so in a nice way. They even said they understand why i was saying it and that they had thought the same thing....and that was that...end of discussion...never bring up the topic again. It didn't mean they didn't NOT like being overweight, it just meant it wasn't something they wanted to discuss with someone who had NO IDEA what it was like yet.

More recently, I have noticed more and more of my female friends jumping on the FITNESS bandwagon. These gals have NO kids AND they're already skinny! Why are they paying 30 bucks a month for gym aerobics? Cuz, it's the cool thing to do. Now, these are women who are very wise and think very well of themselves and know looks is not everything and that health is important...but PLEASE...why do they have to go to a gym? I'm thinkin it's more of a social thing cuz all the "other" women friends are THERE. We all know the owners of the gym personally and we know they are fat...however, we NEVER say it.

I was out with my lanky friend one day and she's married with no kids. She just came right out and said...."I need to workout cuz I need to get rid of this tummy." NOW, for HER this tummy is like a NATURAL curvature of the stomach after one eats a meal. It's like 3 cms out at the MOST. I tell her she doesn't have a tummy, but what she tells me is..."I can't fit in my dresses, I don't want to buy new ones...so it's a problem"...and I say, "The problem is that you don't buy the right clothes to begin with...the stretch kind". The point is...she obviously perceives herself as being THINNER than she really is otherwise she wouldn't buy the sizes she does. Lesson being....we need to be realistic about our bodies and buy for the times we'll be eating meals and not for the times when we'll be FASTING. p

So everytime i see in a commercial on t.v. talking persperation, bad breath, feminine odors, menstration, makeup, hair, etc. I know that it's the corporations trying to find my weak spot in my self perception. They want ME to feel that I NEED their product to be a productive/healthy woman in society; to be attractive. However, I know that I'm attractive and will still be attractive even after I'm "fat". Cuz, my mothers still are married, still have jobs and still have self-respect and are productive/healthy citizens! HA HA. They don't take themselves too seriously when it comes to human foibles. Thank you God for my family and my somewhat good genetics. I was born with all my braincells and fingers so I could type this "opinion" tonight. That's what matters.




[This message has been edited by ]{arao]{e (edited 05-13-2002).]
]{arao]{e is offline  
Old 05-07-2002, 05:56 PM   #37
The Fly
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 149
Local Time: 07:46 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by ]{arao]{e:
[b]Most kids today in HS and JUNIOR HIGH are being praised more for their athletic abilities than for their cerebral ones. So, the corruption in perception is being propagated by major leaders of the community, teachers and coaches. I wish extracurricular sports was more about learning how to play as a team rather than competition and athletic prowess (which is purely genetic in some sports i.e. basketball, but short people can kick ass too; there lies the personal perception thing).
I'm in JH (HS next year), and I disagree with that statement. It may be true where you live, but not here. Sports are viewed equally with academic achievements. That's one thing I'm thankful about where I live. There's an even number of afterschool programs in HS dedicated to academic clubs (ie: science honors' club), social activity (ie: peer development programs), and sports (ie: lacrosse). If there is a difference, intelligence is placed above athleticism. Then again, perhaps my school is the exception, since you mentioned most kids.

I'm only disagreeing with that point. It's quite true that coaches promote competition and victory than teamwork. That's what you have to do in order to win, I suppose. It's not right. The media, as in music and entertainment, means so much to teens. I don't know where my life would be without my music or movie connection. I hate to use the word "idol," it sounds childish. Entertainment means so much... How many female musicians are there in the music business that you could label "fat"? Not that many. For teens who look up to celebrities, the lack of obese people definitely plays a part in their psychology.

You can throw out as many statistics as you wish about the entire country. But when you think of the "elite" stars that everyone knows, how many of them are fat? Entertainment and the public seems like it will only accept thin people. Aren't your teenage years all about trying to be unique and fitting in with others at the same time? Sounds tough. What happens in your teenhood affects you for the rest of your life. I've discovered that "idol-worshiping" and "superficiality" are two things that are not worthy of a high spot in my priority list.

Just a perspective from my view, a JH student, at least. ...Have to get out of this thread.

------------------
i'm too busy to see you
you're too busy to wait
FlyGirl is offline  
Old 05-07-2002, 09:48 PM   #38
Refugee
 
moon_is_playing_tricks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Belmont Shore, CA (I prefer flying a kite at the beach, really.)
Posts: 2,204
Local Time: 04:46 AM
Wow, flygirl, I teach students in 8th grade and not many of them are as articulate as you. Kudos to you for being on top of things.

It's OK to not agree with the statement that sports are more important than academics. But, coming from my point of view, as an educator, I see it day in, day out. My principal is fighting to try and bring academics into the forefront at my school because our state scores are so low and he's been met with opposition from the parents. Sad, but true. Many, many, many of my students come from homes where the parents have not completed even high school and to them, middle school promotion is the highest their children will go. So, seeing them play in sports or play an instrument in the mariachi band is *very* important to them. My principal isn't trying to get rid of the programs, but he thinks there should be a shift in the way extra-curricular activities are viewed. Unfortunately, the parents don't see it that way. Instead, they see the programs being taken away and the students being forced to actually learn something. EGADS.

It's a touchy subject because if many of the schools in California aren't turned around, the state will come in and take over. What will the parents do then? The state won't care about the mariachi band or the football team - they'll care about bringing the state test scores up.

That is so interesting that you brought up the "elite" members of the entertainment industry: are any of them fat? You are so right. None, if maybe a few are "average". Look at Carnie Wilson - she was huge compared to her sister/bandmates. She went and got her stomach re-routed and lost a bunch of weight. What she did was a life decision. For the rest of her life, she can't eat very much. Eating a whole apple would be too much for her to eat. I was just talking to my best friend the other day about her band that she's in. She wants me to be the drummer. I'm all for it. I have a helluva lot of endurance (I've been a swimmer all my life) and am looking forward to it. But, I'm also overweight. So is she. I told her, if we were to make it big, we'd have to go on some crash-course diet or something because heaven forbid if the ravenous vultures (whoops, I meant media) got ahold of us. Can you imagine if there was a singer out there who just happened to be a bit overweight? Oh, man, and how about that drummer?! She's as big as a freakin' house! EGADS! Sad, but soooo soooo true. If we want to try and "make it big" (hey, I'm all for it, but I'm still keeping my day job ), we have an image that needs to be upheld. Nowadays, it's not only the music that you produce, but it's the image that you portray.

Moonie
moon_is_playing_tricks is offline  
Old 05-07-2002, 10:06 PM   #39
The Fly
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 179
Local Time: 11:46 AM
Well I stumbled on this topic and I figure that I will chime in.

As an exercise physiologist and personal trainer, I have heard quite a bit. From carb cutting to liquid diets to the cereal diet, it is all garbage.

It is a shame how the media portrays what is acceptable and what is not. However, we Americans are facing an epidemic of enormous proportions (no pun intended). Americans are overweight, that is no secret--55% of the American population is overweight (BMI of 25-29). 22% of them are obese (BMI 30-39) and 3% of them are morbidly obese (BMI of 40+) and these are just the numbers for people over 20. The numbers are not promising for children either.
Now, the word dieting makes me cringe. Dieting is NOT a good thing. Usually that results in a temporary weight loss and huge weight gains.
Eating a balanced diet is GOOD, dieting is BAD.

As for weight charts and body fat scales, well they are not always right. Some of things that people have mentioned are not entirely accurate here (such as body fat %) but remember, these charts were designed for a quick and easy reference. A height and weight chart takes no account for muscle mass. I am 5'9" and 187. Now by any chart, I am overweight and close to obese, however if you were to check my body fat, you would see that is isn't too high. So, do not put too much emphasis on those charts. Body fat percentage is a better estimate, however skinfolds are only +/- 4% which isn't that good.

As for exercise, well I can go on and on about that as well sound nutritional eating. If anyone wants any more info, email me, I will be glad to give some advice.
zootv187@aol.com
I will say that I am not a nutrtionist, nor am I qualified to council anyone who may think they have an eating disorder, however I do have knowledge of these things and can direct you to someone that can help out.

As for all that crap that is out there on the market (diet pills, ab belts, liquids), well, that is all they are, crap. Supplements, some work, some don't, some are dangerous, some are not so.
Not to pick on anyone, but whoever said that their brother was taking creatine and testosterone and all that other stuff and said thay he would have gotten bigger anyway, I would say, not a chance. Those things do work, however, are they safe???

anyway, I am done rambling, but please, if anyone wants to chat, drop me a line.

Brian
__________________

Bri2k is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com
×