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Old 05-17-2006, 09:30 AM   #1
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New federal guidelines ask all females capable of conceiving a baby to treat themselves -- and to be treated by the health care system -- as pre-pregnant, regardless of whether they plan to get pregnant anytime soon.

Among other things, this means all women between first menstrual period and menopause should take folic acid supplements, refrain from smoking, maintain a healthy weight and keep chronic conditions such as asthma and diabetes under control.
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:22 PM   #3
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:26 PM   #4
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Do all men have to act like pre-fathers, like mature and all that?
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:29 PM   #5
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Well I don't know the percentages but I think a lot of children born are unplanned..no?

If a woman knows she would carry a child to term why shouldn't she be encouraged to take folic acid and vitamins during her childbearing years. Obviously it's not going to be mandated but it wouldn't hurt for your obgyn to suggest vitamins when you vist.

and if you never plan on having a child obviously you'll feel free to disregard
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:37 PM   #6
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What I find offensive about it is that if it's healthy to keep your diabetes in check and it's healthy to take vitamins, then they should encourage this in the entire population as a matter of public health.

Instead they are identifying women by the function of their uterus alone and there is something very creepy and very unsettling about that to me.
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:42 PM   #7
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I agree but I don't see this as a bad thing.

Since I was 13 I've been treated as potentially pregnant. Not a big deal when getting xrays etc. for them to be extra careful.

I think a lot of women don't understand the implications of taking care of your body before you get pregnant. Encouraging dr's to talk to girls about these things and preventing birth defects seems a good thing. Most women don't read pre natal books before conceiving.
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I say again, if this policy was meant to be truly a matter of public health then the entire population would be targetted. Every man, woman and child. But it isn't.

Nobody is talking about banning briefs for men because heat damages sperm.

Sometimes you need to read between the lines.
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Nobody is talking about banning briefs for men because heat damages sperm.
That's exactly what I thought of, or don't take steroids or whatever other drugs could make you impotent or infertile
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well if a man makes himself impotent or infertile he's not causing birth defects.

It seems to me that that's what this policy is about, ,maybe I'm wrong. I don't see this as a conspiracy I see it as a logical way to prevent birth defects and complications in pregnancy. The basic truth is that women do carry the fetus so taking a simple vitamin will prevent birth defects. Educate women who may want to have a child that these are ways to have a healthy one.

When I read it that's what I saw this policy as a way to combat birth defects. No it doesn't address the gazillion other health concerns out there. Obviously people of all ages should be encouraged to manage their health problems.
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Instead they are identifying women by the function of their uterus alone and there is something very creepy and very unsettling about that to me.
here here

proper nutrition at a young age is also important

if a young woman wants to 'enhance" her life.


"This phenomenon, it said, was due to women eating more nutritiously and taking part in more sport."
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What is folic acid found in naturally, anyway? What foods? I don't go for taking vitamins suppliments in pills beyond normal vitamins--the "organic" food industry is as full of snake-oil salemen these days as anything else. So many of my friends chug down their Fish Oil pills and God knows what else. Rule #1: if it's a pill, DON'T take it if you can ingest it naturally. Herbal suppleimets can be dangerous too. Better to buy it in the herbal section of the baking dept at the grocery store.

But yes, this is pooky. Just Big Pharma's way of getting women to spend more money on expensive vitamin suppliments (expensive if you're on a strict budget!)
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you can get folate from:
Fortified breakfast cereal
Whole wheat products
Liver
Eggs
Beans
Sunflower seeds
Asparagus
Leafy green vegetables
Oranges
Strawberries
Cantaloupes and other melons
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I was creeped out when I read this, too. If you follow this to its logical conclusion, I guess women can't even have a drink now and then, even if they aren't planning on having a baby any time soon or ever. After all, you aren't supposed to drink during pregnancy.
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The recommendations aim to "increase public awareness of the importance of preconception health" and emphasize the "importance of managing risk factors prior to pregnancy," said Samuel Posner, co-author of the guidelines and associate director for science in the division of reproductive health at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which issued the report.

Other groups involved include the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the March of Dimes, Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center, the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention's Division of Reproductive Health and the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities.
Are all these groups on the sexist bandwagon as well?

I guess you can read into such a report in different ways.
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Are all these groups on the sexist bandwagon as well?
It's sexist in that there are never going to be similar recommendations that men always be prepared for pregnancy, as, after all, it takes two to have "unplanned pregnancies."

Certain lifestyle choices will affect the vitality of sperm and/or the likelihood that one's sperm will be damaged enough to cause birth defects.

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It's sexist in that there are never going to be similar recommendations that men always be prepared for pregnancy, as, after all, it takes two to have "unplanned pregnancies."
Is it? Are we now in a world where every piece of information, advice, policy, whatever, must be "paired" with similar advice for the opposite sex?

No need to look for intent - just make the accusation and force them to prove you wrong.
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I just did a quick search and found this

http://www.fasalaska.com/DadsBirthDefects.html

"Conclusion

The secret to a healthy family is in the hands of the father as well as the mother. The new research that has been carried out has shown how much a father can affect the life of his unborn child. Alcohol consumed months before conception can cause defects in the sperm. Since sperm cells are made continuously throughout a man's life, they are at more risk of mutation, thus increasing the chance that the baby may have problems. A male should plan ahead for a healthy family. Good steps would be to quit smoking, drinking, and using drugs, and also do as much to protect oneself from exposure to harmful chemicals at work. Such actions will not only lengthen a person's life span, but will also increase the possibility of having healthy children in the future."
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Is it? Are we now in a world where every piece of information, advice, policy, whatever, must be "paired" with similar advice for the opposite sex?

No need to look for intent - just make the accusation and force them to prove you wrong.
You're missing the point, as usual. There doesn't need to be an immediate pairing of advice as other advice is given.

However, the fact remains that federal health guidelines telling men to be always on-guard for pregnancy is never going to happen. Never. And that's where accusations of sexism have merit.

Sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. doesn't need overt "intent." After all, religious fanatics don't look for "intent" when they're on their persecution complex. It's just a recognition that no study, no advice, no anything is free of personal bias, regardless of the best of intentions.

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i think all men should be prepped as potential impregnators and be given free condoms and comprehensive sex education.
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