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Old 09-23-2002, 06:11 PM   #21
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Well to destroy child , mother , and family future ...right



NOT ........

So staying with a mother who beats you because she's had a bad day is a better alternative? Do you know how many children are seriously injured or even killed each year because no one wants to step in and do something about it?

If this woman had hit another adult like that, she would be looking at jail time...why should the law treat her any differently because the person she assaulted was her own child?

If she doesn't value her little girl enough to know its wrong to beat her, than she is the one who ruined the child's future, her own future and her family's future.
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maybe, its because some countries are not all that verbal about child abuse in the home, where here in the u.s....we just don't put up with that shit. i don't know, just a theory i have. either way, it should not have happened. no child should ever have to be beaten...not even at the hand of his/her own mother.
Well it is a theory, because in those cases here, if that happens, you can be sure that the media will talk about it. They won't make the mother a kind of "superstar" by getting her on interview on national television and they'll probably won't even show the tapes (that's private stuff), but they will talk about it. Publicity will go along with it, but I think in that case people are making it a huge story because she got actually caught on tape. If she hadn't been caught on tape, we'd probably be talking about Arafat lying in his ruins or the rest of the world getting srewed-up at the moment, than a particular case requiring a particular treatment, in one particular country (now being the US)... I mean, this story has gone way out of control. While RDI, Quebec's continuous news TV was showing Arafat circled in his Government building (now a ruin) with interviews and analysts, on CNN they were showing an interview with the mother. Is that pertinent information or easy little opportunism ? I'd take the second option.
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Well it is a theory, because in those cases here, if that happens, you can be sure that the media will talk about it. They won't make the mother a kind of "superstar" by getting her on interview on national television and they'll probably won't even show the tapes (that's private stuff), but they will talk about it. Publicity will go along with it, but I think in that case people are making it a huge story because she got actually caught on tape. If she hadn't been caught on tape, we'd probably be talking about Arafat lying in his ruins or the rest of the world getting srewed-up at the moment, than a particular case requiring a particular treatment, in one particular country (now being the US)... I mean, this story has gone way out of control. While RDI, Quebec's continuous news TV was showing Arafat circled in his Government building (now a ruin) with interviews and analysts, on CNN they were showing an interview with the mother. Is that pertinent information or easy little opportunism ? I'd take the second option.

well, there will always be media exploiting any story that the public will find news-worthy. i haven't seen the footage of what happened to the little girl, and i heard they were showing it every hour on the hour, now that is a bit excessive, i'll admit that, but still...the media helped bring that woman in. it helped bring that child back safe.
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well, there will always be media exploiting any story that the public will find news-worthy. i haven't seen the footage of what happened to the little girl, and i heard they were showing it every hour on the hour, now that is a bit excessive, i'll admit that, but still...the media helped bring that woman in. it helped bring that child back safe.
Yes...on top of that, it brings attention to a problem which many people may not be so aware of...that of child abuse. Although there may be other world matters at hand, it's foolish to ignore problems here in this country. I was shocked at the footage, horrified that someone could do this to their own child. Maybe the intense media coverage will show what a problem this truly is, and may (in some way) prevent other instances of abuse.
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Yes...on top of that, it brings attention to a problem which many people may not be so aware of...that of child abuse. Although there may be other world matters at hand, it's foolish to ignore problems here in this country. I was shocked at the footage, horrified that someone could do this to their own child. Maybe the intense media coverage will show what a problem this truly is, and may (in some way) prevent other instances of abuse.

Thats what I was trying to say, thank you. very well said
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Thats what I was trying to say, thank you. very well said
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The media needs one or 2 stories like this every now and then to bring the public's attention to these things. I dont think its more or less cared about in many countries either. Its how much publicity it gets that can change a perception.
I'm no fan of the media, but in situations like this, I am glad for what they do, even if it is exploiting for their own gains. Without the media there is ignorance.
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Anyone notice that she bears a striking resemblance to Leonardo DiCaprio?

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Pinkfloyd, I'm really bothered by your posts. To say the mother is sorry, will never do it again, just had a bad day AND that the child is better off with the mother is inconceivable.

Like the others said, even the worst day of your life doesn't warrant beating the living tar out of an innocent child.

The child is NOT better off with this excessivly dysfunctional family. Getting abused relentlessly is not a way to live. She deserves a better chance with a better family.

Statistics show that once a person is physically abusive, THEY DO NOT STOP. Their anger has control off their life, and unless they undergo some intense counselling and healing, they will continue to succumb to the anger. Ask any help centres for victims of abuse, and they will tell you physical abuse is a reoccuring offense, no matter how sorry the offender is.

This story truly makes me sick and makes me want to cry, because this stuff goes on all the time. What kind of world are we living in?
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Anyone notice that she bears a striking resemblance to Leonardo DiCaprio?
i do now!
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Anyone notice that she bears a striking resemblance to Leonardo DiCaprio?

Kinda.

She looks rather smug, doesn't she?

Makes me even more ticked off at her.

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She looks rather smug, doesn't she?
yeah, i noticed that too. i also noticed in the video she had blonde hair, and now it's suddenly brown. i wonder if some lawyer (or herself) told her to dye it darker to look more mature or something.
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yeah, i noticed that too. i also noticed in the video she had blonde hair, and now it's suddenly brown. i wonder if some lawyer (or herself) told her to dye it darker to look more mature or something.
She dyed it while she was hiding out in 2 different states before she went back to Indiana and turned herself in. I thought in one interview I saw that she looked like she was under the influence of something...I could be wrong but she looked a little sedated to me.

I also heard today that she plans on pleading guilty and asking the court for mercy.
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This is about the funniest thread i've ever read. You should go back and read your posts. Every post has more and more speculation in them. Ya i heard she does crack and hey looked now she has streaks, i bet she got them to look younger so people would think she's young and dumb.

People as bad as this is, and it is bad this is being blown way out of proportion. I was hit when i was a kid. I got the belt many a time a few knockings never hurt for more then a few hours. I'm not lessing what this woman did but i know where pink is coming from. I seen the interview with her and i truly think she is sorry for what happened. I think she lost it. Many a ppl have lost it but were never caught on tape.

If this incident happened and three people seen it and went to CNN with their stories it would never have got airtime. But the power of the tape. I fell sorry for the child, one for being hit like she was and two for being exploited by the media. Its like 9/11, where they kept showing the planes crashing who the fuck wants to see that all day everyday, same here who wants to see a kid get smacked around and beat up?? Once alright but having a SPECIAL around it and devoting hours of the day to it is absurd.

Sure you could send this kid to a foster family then another and another till she's 18 where she thrown out to fend for herself. Go ask a foster child what they think is the best option. There's more abuse in some foster families then this girl will recieve.
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People as bad as this is, and it is bad this is being blown way out of proportion. I was hit when i was a kid. I got the belt many a time a few knockings never hurt for more then a few hours. I'm not lessing what this woman did but i know where pink is coming from. I seen the interview with her and i truly think she is sorry for what happened. I think she lost it. Many a ppl have lost it but were never caught on tape.
I'll probably end up killing this thread with what I'm going to say here but I feel I should say it anyways so you would know I'm not making any speculations. I was hit as a kid too. There was even a time when my mother lost control and did the same thing to a family member. She ended up giving her a black eye. But come on...not like what that woman on TV did. My mother realized what she did. She sent her to stay with a family friend for a while. She came back when my mom felt she had better control of her temper. I still haven't gotten over that. Maybe I should ask myself if the same thing should have happened in my family's case. Should they have removed her from my family? my mom did the removing herself, and I admire her for that. So I stand by what I say. That child needs to go to a good foster home.
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People as bad as this is, and it is bad this is being blown way out of proportion. I was hit when i was a kid. I got the belt many a time a few knockings never hurt for more then a few hours. I'm not lessing what this woman did but i know where pink is coming from. I seen the interview with her and i truly think she is sorry for what happened. I think she lost it. Many a ppl have lost it but were never caught on tape.

If this incident happened and three people seen it and went to CNN with their stories it would never have got airtime. But the power of the tape. I fell sorry for the child, one for being hit like she was and two for being exploited by the media. Its like 9/11, where they kept showing the planes crashing who the fuck wants to see that all day everyday, same here who wants to see a kid get smacked around and beat up?? Once alright but having a SPECIAL around it and devoting hours of the day to it is absurd.

Punishment by spanking is one thing (IMO, anyways) but what that woman did was potentially life-threatening...maybe you should see that video one more time to see how bad it really was. Granted, without the tape this incident may have passed without notice, but then what? Next time this mother gets "upset", or "loses it", she could seriously hurt her child. We should be glad something has been done about it, for at least it draws attention to this one child, and may protect her from something that dangerous in the future. ANYTIME a parent is as brutal as that, it is wrong. To justify it, or try to lessen the wrong by making excuses for the mother is absurd...it could lead to something worse next time.
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Excuse me, i never and would never make an excuse for something so brutal as what she did. She said it herself, there is no excuse. We can only judge her now from what she does in response.
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Bonoman, I would like to respectively disagree with a few points you brought up. You mentioned the amount of speculation the replies in this thread contained, but you had your own views that cannot be backed with fact - which to me is the same thing. You I guess, speculated too. About it being blown out of proportion, about the number of abuse cases related to foster care, and also whether the mother really is sorry for what she did on that tape. Those are things we really dont know the answer to. All we can do is speculate.

I think everyone has different views on child raring and what is acceptable and what is not as far as punishment for bad behaviour goes. That is fine. But there is a general societal consensus that there is a distinct and serious difference between smacking your child, even hitting them, and then actual physical assault. Any violence technically is assault. Whenever our parents smacked us, that technically, or not even technically, is assault. That aside, to beat your child in a manner such as that, DOES cross a boundary of acceptable parenting. This can be argued of course of where our right to judge lies. I dont believe it is a situation where we should remain hushed, and keep our thoughts to ourselves. A few reasons, one is children are a part of the larger society and in most instances are without their own voice. A child does not always know how to speak out on their behalf. A child may not know they even can. A child may not know they could have that right. It is also a law of members of our society to not inflict large does of physical harm to a child. Whether we agree or not that it is not our place to be so up in arms over occurances like this remains moot in light of the law.
Apologies if this sounds totally directed at you. I read all your replies and do know you do not believe this woman is without blame. I know you are probably just as horrified as any one else.

In regards to how the whole media circus unfolded surrounding this, do you disagree that an example may have been made? That we all need a reminder every now and then that this occurs? I will speculate again and say you might be fairly pissed at the scapegoat this woman became. I can agree with that. I dont like media exploitation of anything, but the media does educate and does spread awareness. If this woman had to be made an example of, so be it. At the end of the day, enough people were made aware of this so that that little girl may luckily never suffer that kind of assault again. We can also hope that it may help to cease other unseen cases that are occuring behind closed doors every single day. We are a long way off seeing an end to child abuse. But a reminder to the larger public every now and then keeps us in check, maybe empowers others to speak out.
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