Wtf is going on in Israel today???????

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Lemonite:
I wouldn't be so sure that they didn't gain support.. What I heard in the media.. which is far from what went on in private is that the Arab Countries want to see some sort of peace agreement or peaceful setting in Israel before they really give any consideration to an Iraq assault... Which by the way will come... Also, Didn't Israel Agree to talking about peace until the Palestinians started the Suicide Bombings again.. Do you not expect Israel to Retaliate?.. Apparently not..
I know it is this unending cycle, but Israel would'nt keep sending Apaches and F-16's to blow up Offices in Gaza et al if the Suicide Bombings stopped. It's up to this leader of the PLO you refer to.. If he has so much power.
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You're right, lemonite. People make a dangerous mistake when they underestimate the levels to which Arafat will stoop to destroy Israel.

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by STING2:
Its to bad the Arab countries decided to cosy up to Iraq at the Arab summit and not support the USA.

Yah... I was disgusted by the Saudi Leaders Hugging and Kissing the Representative from Iraq that came out a day or so ago.

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[ladywithspinninghead]

Lemonite,

You're saying Arafat is obviously just a figurehead because he hasn't been able to round up the terrorists???
Draw a parallel then - what would that say about the U.S. administration if they can't even capture Bin Laden or most leading Al-Quaeda fugitives...


And to Sting - you really think in this post Sept. 11th world, the U.S. would be willing to deal with someone they really believed was a terrorist? Je ne pense pas.


By the way people, I'd like to know what proof you have that Arafat is still associated with terrorists today. All of you inclined to think so are Americans (I think) and I'm just wondering what your sources are...Interesting how non-Americans aren't so quick to judge Arafat as such....

[anitram]

Originally posted by STING2:
We dealed with Milisovic at the end of 1995 when the Bosnian war came to an end.

Yeah, then he went about persecuting the Albanains in Kosovo. This man was responsible for most of the violence in the Balkans. Eventually, when the West got fed up with dealing with the lying lunatic, they went after him, and he's in the Hague. They never should have had any business with him in the first place. I think it's really offensive to those who died in the Balkans (and I know plenty, children, women, etc.) to think that Milosevic was a peacemaker. He was an opportunist, and only spoke of peace when he no longer thought he could win the war.

[mug222]

Originally posted by ladywithspinninghead:

That's the mandatory controversial, provocatirve part of Lemonite's post...just ignore it...he's out to shock...

Yep! Isn't it great how he undermines any actual point he may have by adding something as nonsensical and sensationalistic as that tripe? It's wonderful how he takes care of those who disagree with him by deflating his own argument so they don't have to.

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by ladywithspinninghead:

Lemonite,

You're saying Arafat is obviously just a figurehead because he hasn't been able to round up the terrorists???
Draw a parallel then - what would that say about the U.S. administration if they can't even capture Bin Laden or most leading Al-Quaeda fugitives...

They are not related. No parallel.

But I will indulge you, the difference is that Arafat is making NO effort to try and round up any terrorists.. In fact (An If I get the time I'll round up that article) Arafat is sending orders for more Suicide Bombs.


God Bless America
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[Lemonite]

Originally posted by mug222:
Yep! Isn't it great how he undermines any actual point he may have by adding something as nonsensical and sensationalistic as that tripe?

Ah.. Welcome Back, The Creative mind who Manifested the Eloquently Spoken 'Dumb Fuck'. I have been awaiting your return.

I included the above 'ripped' statement just as a little point, Just to kind of take in and digest, to keep in mind that the Palestines aren't some sort of 'government' or 'country', because it is true, They have no industry, they have no exported products. Do with it what you may.. That's all. It's nice to see that just because it is disagreed with that it is called 'tripe'. Mug I think we all know where you are coming from. But it's good to hear from you.. now if you will, allow Lady and I to continue our discussion.

God Bless America,
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[CdnBliss]

The point is not necessarily what Arafat IS doing and WHO he's doing it with but perhaps more of what he's NOT doing. Isreal has been calling on Arafat for almost 2 years now to reign in on the violence. What it comes down to is 'you're either with us or against us' which I don't think is a bad mindset to have. Isreal is fed up and feel they need to take action. Since 9/11 the focus to combat terrorism has increased drastically...for obvious reasons. And still Arafat sits on his ass and does nothing to help with the peace process.
Picture a child...your child....who runs in and out of the house...slamming the screen door incessantly and no matter how many times you ask him to stop he either thinks it's funny or just doesn't listen. What you do when you can't take it anymore, whether it's 'time out' or a smack on the ass, is up to you but there is a breaking point. Isreal has reached that point and I personally don't blame them. Of course I have hoped and will always hope for a peaceful solution but as the saying goes: Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
The Isrealis have no intentions of harming Arafat. They have him cornered and the power to do it......they would have done it by now.
They have also taken into custody over 65 people believed to be involved in terroist activity as a result of taking over Arafats compound.
Amen.

[mug222]

Originally posted by Lemonite:
now if you will, allow Lady and I to continue our discussion.

No. When you characterize an entire "band of people" as those who "produce nothing" and "are just there...", I think I am allowed to take offense, as everyone should. It's just pure racist bilge and it bothers me: Yes, Palestine has unfortunate geographical shortcomings that cause the region to be less developed than our own, but 1) That is not a result of lesser peoples, as you seem to imply, and 2) It is simply a gross generalization to imply that the entire race of Palestinians "produce nothing." I have worked with enough brilliant Palestinian scientists and economists (who, incidentally, also want peace at any cost) to know that much. These Palestinians have produced more than you ever will.

N.B. Ladywiththespinninghead, you are a much larger person than I to be able to resist smacking that lob of his. I salute you


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[ramblin rose]

Originally posted by mug222:
When you characterize an entire "band of people" as those who "produce nothing" and "are just there...", I think I am allowed to take offense, as everyone should.

That comment was very disturbing to me also.

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by mug222:
No. When you characterize an entire "band of people" as those who "produce nothing" and "are just there...", I think I am allowed to take offense, as everyone should. It's just pure racist bilge and it bothers me: Yes, Palestine has unfortunate geographical shortcomings that cause the region to be less developed than our own, but 1) That is not a result of lesser peoples, as you seem to imply, and 2) It is simply a gross generalization to imply that the entire race of Palestinians "produce nothing." I have worked with enough brilliant Palestinian scientists and economists (who, incidentally, also want peace at any cost) to know that much. These Palestinians have produced more than you ever will.

Point Out to Me what exactly this quote unquote Nation of Palestine produces.. Give me some evidence towards inclining me to digress from my statement?... Inflammatory as it may be, It is the truth.. Right? If I am given something to the contrary I will admit my error, but if the statement is true how can you knock it? Because it sets off some sort of insensitivity nodule in your thalamus... I'll assume you are in favor of these Corporations paying Reparations for Slavery?! Hahaha... For another Thread though.

God Bless America,
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[The Wanderer]

none of them will be invited to my Easter Egg Hunt

[Lemonite]

Have you all seen the latest video tape released to the news networks?.. It shows the young girl who would eventually blow herself up in front of a Supermarket going through the ritual pre-Self-Explosion Rites before she were to head out to kill herself and take as many Israelis with her as possible.

What is disturbing is that some of the network shows are trumping this girl as some sort of Hero?! Geezus.. But just an observation.

God Bless America,
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[anitram]

Originally posted by Lemonite:
Point Out to Me what exactly this quote unquote Nation of Palestine produces.. Give me some evidence towards inclining me to digress from my statement?... Inflammatory as it may be, It is the truth.. Right?

You said:


Just an addendum in the middle of this post.. the Palestinians are a band of people who produce nothing, they have no commercial value, no 'industrial' practices.. They produce nothing, They are just there.. Ok.. Back to the post.

What is beyond offensive is the statement that they have no commercial value. The assertion that a human being has no commercial value because his "country" has no economically valuable exports is incredibly disturbing to me. Furthermore, even if one would take at face value each of those things you said, none of them have anything at all to do with a peace process. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness don't hinge on a gross national product. That you may in some way think they do is mind boggling, and frankly, a sad social statement.

I'm really disturbed, as a Catholic and Christian, on Good Friday, to even read your comments. I'm generally pleasant on these forums in the sense I've never had issues with anybody. Not a fight, not a flame, nothing. But you've fundamentally offended me, and others. That you're unable to see why, is troubling.

[anitram]

Oh, and hi Julie! You in Ottawa or across the pond right now?

[The Wanderer]

yeah, I just saw that Lemonite... I'm also hearing this conspiracy theory being put forth by Arabs that suggest Israel is responsible or at least knew prior to the attacks on September 11; saying that some 4 or 5,000 Jews that normally work in the WTC were not there that day... did I miss something, is this something that was suggested before now? do Arabs really believe this shit?

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by anitram:

You said:


Just an addendum in the middle of this post.. the Palestinians are a band of people who produce nothing, they have no commercial value, no 'industrial' practices.. They produce nothing, They are just there.. Ok.. Back to the post.

What is beyond offensive is the statement that they have no commercial value. The assertion that a human being has no commercial value because his "country" has no economically valuable exports is incredibly disturbing to me. Furthermore, even if one would take at face value each of those things you said, none of them have anything at all to do with a peace process. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness don't hinge on a gross national product. That you may in some way think they do is mind boggling, and frankly, a sad social statement.

I'm really disturbed, as a Catholic and Christian, on Good Friday, to even read your comments. I'm generally pleasant on these forums in the sense I've never had issues with anybody. Not a fight, not a flame, nothing. But you've fundamentally offended me, and others. That you're unable to see why, is troubling.

First of all.. I wasn't saying the statement had anything to do with the battling/peace processes.. I was just stating a bit of information for people to gnaw on.. If you read anything more into that then you are mistaken.

Second of all, I was referring to them collectively.. How do you want me to refer to them?.. As a Country?... that is mistaken because there is no Palestine.. Give me the proper term to categorize them, or label them.. Because apparently many people above in this thread have no clue. There was no intention to pull a prejudice statement or call them something comparative to 'Jap', 'Nigger', or 'Cracker'.

Again, I am waiting (because I'm also interested) for someone to give me an 'industry' or a 'product' that they export.. Some Contribution to the world they gave.. Some 'Commercial' Value as you put it.. that this 'Nation.. or whatever it is'.. mass of people holds as a collective unit.

Don't pull pull Good Friday and being a Catholic into this.. It is just a holier than Thou Statement that is not relevant on an 'Internet' Discussion Board.. I am Catholic.. What are you trying to Prove with this statement?

I did no such thing to equate Palestinians with Dirt.. That is just a redirection, or a gross misinterpretation of my statement..

God Bless America,
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[Lemonite]

Originally posted by The Wanderer:
I'm also hearing this conspiracy theory being put forth by Arabs that suggest Israel is responsible or at least knew prior to the attacks on September 11; saying that some 4 or 5,000 Jews that normally work in the WTC were not there that day... did I miss something, is this something that was suggested before now? do Arabs really believe this shit?

There was some big poll out a week or so ago that was 'guaging (sp?)' the Mid East's Feelings toward America.. Granted the majority of them have a negative attitude towards America, but the presentation was very disgustingly slanted.. For Example saying 33% of Kuwaitians have a negative Attitude towards USA rather than 66% of Kuwaitians have a Positive Feeling Toward America..

But to get to your point, I'm not sure of the exact Poll percentage, but Yah.. The Majority of Arabs over in the Middle East believe that Israel was behind the WTC attack.. As either a way to 'Get America Pissed off at Arabs', or some other ri-cock-u-lous fabrication.. Hahah.. Try and give our Dear Mohammed Atta a phone call.. Can't catch up to him eh?..

Just an interesting little thing around my hometown.. an Arab moved into town about a year ago.. Opens up a Gas Station... 7-11 infact... Put a Kid in the private school where my Mom teaches... Sep. 7, The Kid is pulled out of school... Sep. 9, The Gas Station closes up without any real word, and the owner leaves town (apparently) without any word of that.. Criminal?.. I don't know, but it sure is Suspicious..

God Bless America,
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[Bbug]

the Catholicism statement is significant because according to the catholic faith every human being is created in God's image and is therefore of worth and that no one should be assigned a value based on their "Usefulness," in terms of economic output, intelligence or other factors. It really did sound like you were saying that because they are of no use to you-- you said they have no industry or exports-- that you have no feeling for what happens to them.
I don't know enough about the Palestinians/Israelis to make any significant comments about that situation...but neither party is totally innocent or completely right. It's a civil war.
and lemonite, if you're going to talk exports and such I want to hear details, preferably verifiable data from a solid source. Otherwise, you're just trying to provoke people. "Dumb Fuck" is actually a pretty good description, I think. I'm going to ignore Lemonite from now on, everyone, and I suggest you do, too. Nothing of value in your posts, just trying to cause trouble.

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by Bbug:
It really did sound like you were saying that because they are of no use to you-- you said they have no industry or exports-- that you have no feeling for what happens to them.


I don't know enough about the Palestinians/Israelis to make any significant comments about that situation...but neither party is totally innocent or completely right. It's a civil war.
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I made no such statements.. It was apparently taken the wrong way.

I too am not completely sure about their industry or what not.. It was just an 'as far as I know'.. That is why I asked for some facts.. to refute it.. I'm sure there are people out there who may be curious.. But again, it was an 'addendum', that was just food for thought.. I like however the attempts to try and just ignore other side of the issue simply because it doesn't follow your ideological beliefs.

It seems that everyone has become bogged down with a 'quote' and a quote they apparently didn't even follow..

However, Dismissing the 'other' side of the fence as of having no 'value' then you are cheating yourself out of what I, as well as many others, perhaps not on this webboard, but of course, the Israelis feel is the 'RighT' Side of the issue. I will say a prayer for you.

Anitram.. Have you made sure to go to confession before Easter.. Just a friendly Reminder.

God Bless America,
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