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Old 03-17-2008, 02:50 PM   #81
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He argued that what Rev. Wright was saying was spot on
how about Wright accusing the United States of creating and perpetuating the AIDS epidemic?

is that one spot on?
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You should get the quote correct.
(you don't want to be accused of misrepresenting)

“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
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You should get the quote correct.
(you don't want to be accused of misrepresenting)

“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
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That's the first I have heard that one...and no I don't agree with it.
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how about Wright accusing the United States of creating and perpetuating the AIDS epidemic?

is that one spot on?


i personally thought that was a crock of shit.

and you know what?

so does Obama.
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Twice in my life I have disassociated myself from churches

I heard things said from the pulpit that my consciouses and heart told me were wrong

when the other parishioners seemed OK with these things

I had to choose

and exercise my own judgment

I did not ask myself
what were the advantages of staying?

how long have I been associated with this church?

how many friends do I have here?

Spiritually is not limited to a building, pastor, or a denomination

Political expediency may be.
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That's the first I have heard that one...and no I don't agree with it.
might it be time to step back

and ask yourself?


Was I right to jump in 100% for Obama
when there are things I have not heard?


Things that have impact and matter?
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We're looking at what, 30 years of sermons?

What's the likelihood anyone would agree with every word?

We're getting a fraction of statements made by Rev. Wright, mostly negative which is painting the whole man in a negative manner. If this man truly brought Obama to Christianity, and Obama has held him in such high esteem over the years, there's obviously much more to Rev. Wright that we're missing and his current characterization is probably less than accurate.

Yeah, he's said some pretty outlandish statements, but he must have said something good over the years as well to have such a fervent following.
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might it be time to step back

and ask yourself?


Was I right to jump in 100% for Obama
when there are things I have not heard?


Things that have impact and matter?
Was I right? Of course I think so. I have no doubts.

There is much from the Clintons that have impact and matter that we have not heard either.

And things we have heard, I do not like.

From the outset, Obama still has been much more transparent than the Clintons are now.
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Was I right? Of course I think so.

There is a lot more to Rezko, than what you think you know.
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There may or may not be.

Does this mean I switch to Clinton because of some shady real estate deal.....?
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There is a lot more to Rezko, than what you think you know.


my sources say the opposite, but who knows?



i think much of the pastor's comments require more than a modicum of cultural sensitivity. it's a wonderful way for the National Greatness Right to get in a huff and bloviate, and for white people to feel persecuted.

i think some of his specific comments, however, are wrong, and offensive, and i do not agree with them. but i think if you looked at Wrights 30 year career, and his very erudite approach to liberation theology -- which is probably what attracted Obama in the first place -- i think you'll find someone who's more a curiosity than a menace.
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I did not ask myself
what were the advantages of staying?

how long have I been associated with this church?

how many friends do I have here?

Spiritually is not limited to a building, pastor, or a denomination

Political expediency may be.


wouldn't it have been more politically advantageous to have cut this guy out before running for president?

what's bothering me, deep, is that i don't think you quite realize how condescending you're coming off. legitimate disagreements are one thing, but to not-so-subtly assert that Obama's supporters are little different than starry-eyed Heaven's Gate cultists just waiting for the comet to come around ... well, that's not going to go down well with (young) people on here who do take politics very seriously, and who do pay close attention to the issues, and who have made the entirely rational choice that they'd prefer to support Obama than HRC.



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I thought it might stir up too much of a "shit storm"
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It will and it has.
Steele believes that addressing these race issues is a conversation that needs to happen.
What exactly is Rev. Wright still gaining from the stormy rhetoric of black oppression? Wouldn't his energy be better spent propping up his people, all people?

When someone shows you who they are you should believe them.......
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That said, I should add that a person (white, black, whatever) should not be judged by the color of their skin but by "the content of their character"---an MLK line---and the title of one of Steele's books.
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wouldn't it have been more politically advantageous to have cut this guy out before running for president?
the Rev has quite a following

and in Chicago

it sounds like it was a good place for a young politician to position himself

Obama gets 1/3 of white voters in some Dem primaries but 90 % of the black vote


his association seems to help with black voters
a 90% block does have a lot of power in many of the Dem primaries

being quiet on this,
up to this point in time,
has served Obama well

with Penn remaining, now would be the time to distance or repudiate those remarks.

I guess timing
is a useful talent for a politician


I don't mean to sound too
condescending

But when some contort themselves to explain this all away

I do think they are little naive.
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what's bothering me, deep, is that i don't think you quite realize how condescending you're coming off. legitimate disagreements are one thing, but to not-so-subtly assert that Obama's supporters are little different than starry-eyed Heaven's Gate cultists just waiting for the comet to come around ... well, that's not going to go down well with (young) people on here who do take politics very seriously, and who do pay close attention to the issues, and who have made the entirely rational choice that they'd prefer to support Obama than HRC.
first

I do concede

that Obama has run an outstanding campaign

He has the youth vote tied up.


But, remember election day is on Tuesdays
and all the young people I know will be lining up for "Taco Tuesday"
(cheap tacos and beer. most establishments have this promotion on Tuesdays, esp near Colleges)

just kidding - me condescending? ;wink;
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What exactly is Rev. Wright still gaining from the stormy rhetoric of black oppression? Wouldn't his energy be better spent propping up his people, all people?


so, people are going to hate me for this, but this is a very, very white thing to say.
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I don't mean to sound too
condescending

But when some contort themselves to explain this all away

I do think they are little naive.


could you point out the contortions?

when it comes to Obama,

i walk into your kitchen

and not only is the sink missing

but so is the fridge

and the dishwasher
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But, remember election day is on Tuesdays
and all the young people I know will be lining up for "Taco Tuesday"
(cheap tacos and beer. most establishments have this promotion on Tuesdays, esp near Colleges)

just kidding - me condescending? ;wink;


no, no. that's on Thursdays.

it's Blowjob Tuesdays. that's what the kids are all about these days.
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