A_Wanderer
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I am an atheist and I am offended by the ACLU trying to remove the history from the symbol.
A_Wanderer said:I am an atheist and I am offended by the ACLU trying to remove the history from the symbol.
thrillme said:
Thank you. History, unlike some subjects, does not change, maybe you look at different sides of historical events, from different perspectives, world views, but that doesn't change what happened.
Guess what? I'm a history nerd/buff. Prepare for a lengthy post.
*edited in repost to save space (but excellent history report!)
you can't erase parts of history you don't like because they offend you, you can ignore it, but can't erase things, you can't "change the past."
A majority of the people that started what became the U.S., came from Judeo-Christian backgrounds. That is history.
Did you people know, that all 50 states in the U.S. have some reference to God in their state constitutions.
Is that what bites the collective arses of the ACLU,
history isn't politically correct, can't be changed.
The ACLU comes off as very historically ignorant, with this. Shall we also get rid of all the Spanish names, and Anglicanise them, because that offends people who aren't of Spanish/Mexican heritage.
I know I know this post is totally,
but for crying out loud,
history isn't politically correct, can't be changed.
thrillme said:Is that what bites the collective arses of the ACLU, history isn't politically correct, can't be changed. The ACLU comes off as very historically ignorant, with this.
Ft. Worth Frog said:I think the cross is an appropriate symbol of California's past, and as someone in here said earlier it is not a crucifix.
Ft. Worth Frog said:I think a logical pursuit of this policy would be to prohibit Christians from holding public office as their faith would probably influence their politics.
Dreadsox said:SO the Missionaries were the equivalent of the Nazi's?
Is that your point?
MrsSpringsteen said:What about state songs? Mine has the word God in it
I'm completely horrified
Elvis said:No, that was not my point. I was comparing how symbols convey different messages to different people.
Elvis said:
Either way, I'm curious... why are some people SO opposed to the cross being removed? Would they be so opposed, say, if it were a star of david, an ankh, or some other religious symbol that was being removed instead? I doubt it.
verte76 said:We had a controversy over the Confederate flag here in Alabama. It was being flown on public property, I forget exactly where. (Where's U2Bama when you need him? He's an expert on this). Critics charged that it celebrated slavery and thus racism. Defenders claimed that it just celebrated part of the state's heritage. Well, as it turned out the precise flag they used was the battle flag of the Confederacy. Passions ran high and tempers flared. The flag was eventually removed and put in a less controversial place. Earlier this year there was a flap over the Confederate flag when Howard Dean mentioned it in a speech. I can't imagine a cross on a seal being quite as controversial as the Confederate flag is around here. You can't change the fact that our state was part of the Confederacy but you can change what you think about the Confederacy, what with many registered Republicans these days opposing the idea of secession. Believe it or not, I have an ancestor who was a slave owner who voted against secession.
*not trying to steal thread, just comparing controversies*
U2Kitten said:
Even when Alabama had the Ten Commandments thing, they blamed "Christians" for it even though the Ten Commandments are from Moses and were first and always Jewish.
U2Kitten said:
A couple years ago VA also had to change the lyrics to the state song, "Carry Me Back to Old Virginny" because it mentioned laboring in the field for massa, even though the songwriter was a black man.
meegannie said:
Wasn't a lot of the controvsey over the use of the word 'darky' in the lyrics as well? Kentucky changed the lyrics to it's state song in 1986 because it used to talk about 'darkies.'
Elvis said:
No, that was not my point. I was comparing how symbols convey different messages to different people.
To some, The Crusades may be an acceptable 'event', to others that may not be so.
Either way, I'm curious... why are some people SO opposed to the cross being removed? Would they be so opposed, say, if it were a star of david, an ankh, or some other religious symbol that was being removed instead? I doubt it.