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Old 06-03-2008, 10:46 PM   #21
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No, it ain't the policies that's for sure...it's because they are BULLHEADED WHITE WOMEN!!!
The definition of 'bullheaded' would require a certain amount of sternness, turning to McCain requires fickleness...

No one who was voting for Hillary based on issues would turn to McCain.

That would require stupidity not stubbornness...
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The definition of 'bullheaded' would require a certain amount of sternness, turning to McCain requires fickleness...

No one who was voting for Hillary based on issues would turn to McCain.

That would require stupidity not stubbornness...
Sometimes they come hand in hand. Hopefully by the fall this stubborn faction will realise what exactly they are voting for.
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Election 2008

Bullheaded Women & Typical White Guys vs. Eggheads & African Americans.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:04 PM   #24
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Sometimes they come hand in hand. Hopefully by the fall this stubborn faction will realise what exactly they are voting for.
I seriously doubt it...

But there are a few that like to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Based on what? Policies? Please!!!
Based on hysterical fantasies.
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Yeah, because these feminist women of my Mom's age, who fought to break through the glass ceiling, who fought to have full rights and domain over their reproductive systems, are going to vote for a man who is going to stack the SCOTUS with backwards white men that will set back the women's movement about 40 years.

I don't believe McCain is going to get anything but a negligible number of bitter voters. Give everyone else a month to cool off and the reality of another 4 years of reckless Republican rule will smack them in the face.
Of course that was the thinking in 2004. In addition, the women you speak of did not mind voting for Reagan in record numbers twice.
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Based on what? Policies? Please!!!
It could be any number of things.

For one, the Hillary supporters I know want someone who has experience and can lead- traits Obama does not have- and, despite regular disagreements, would simply feel more comfortable with McCain as president.

Also, McCain is fairly liberal, so it's not like they would disagree with McCain on every single issue.

Some Hillary supporters feel that the media has been totally unfair to her campaign and in obvious support of Obama- a claim I don't disagree with.

Or who knows, they could just be switching to McCain to get him elected and her elected in 2012.
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It could be any number of things.

For one, the Hillary supporters I know want someone who has experience and can lead- traits Obama does not have- and, despite regular disagreements, would simply feel more comfortable with McCain as president.
Hillary vs Obama experience is laughable... when it comes down to it.

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Also, McCain is fairly liberal, so it's not like they would disagree with McCain on every single issue.
This no longer is a debatable issue, he's too gray. He used to be too liberal for the NeoCons, but he sold himself out to buy votes, independents aren't sold.

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Some Hillary supporters feel that the media has been totally unfair to her campaign and in obvious support of Obama- a claim I don't disagree with.
Well they are stupid.

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Or who knows, they could just be switching to McCain to get him elected and her elected in 2012.
Then they would be really stupid...
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I have no idea how many people who voted for Hillary in the primaries are actually likely to vote for McCain in November purely out of resentment, but I do know that hysterical screeching about how stupid, racist, or [subtext] hormonal[/subtext] they are ain't gonna do shit to win them back.
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It really seems that for every "genuine conservative" that has gone flat on McCain there is probably a Hillary voter who feels abused by the process, who knows they may cancel eachother out.

If staying at home meant 4 years of the least bad Republican plus a lock for Hillary in 2012 one may make that call.
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if a hilary supporter is going to vote for the other (shitty) team out of spite, then they obviously don't support any sort of democratic belief system. If the democrats don't win this election base on the track record of the current adminstration there is something deeply, horrifically wrong with the american people.

Hell, even Australians with our RSL white policy peep and anti immigration peeps voted for the right guy (well the better of two!) ahahah
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I think some damage was done.

Among the Hillary supporters I know, they will probably opt out of the Presidential or write in Hillary as a protest vote, which is what I intend to do. I do not know if Hillary was on the VP slot whether that would change my mind as I consider VP kind of a nothing position. Then again this area is heavy Clinton country across the board so I wouldn't even begin to speculate how that translates outside the area. I've heard some grumblings about voting for McCain, but I'm not going there. Over the course of the election I've gone from "for sure" if Obama is the candidate to "likely" to "don't think so."
And I don't see any reason for apology for it. I didn't abandon them. They lost me.

I don't think you will be able to determine how severe the split is until November and possibly 2010 when you see whether Obama support or Democrat disaffection will carry over into the midterms. If there is a split, the Democrats will feel the loss greatest then.

That being said, I expect Obama to win in November although not handily. So you don't need me at all.:
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I think it is frankly quite ridiculous, for Hillary supporters to not vote for Obama (just as I have vehemently noted how ridiculous it has been for Obama supporters to hurl insults at Hillary). Both have been excellent candidates who have substantially equivalent platforms, and considering that election promises are routinely made out of idealism, rather than the pragmatic process that is Congressional approval, there's a good chance that you'll probably end up with the same end result with either candidate. As such, all this bad blood between the two sides is just nonsense. I would have been equally happy to cast a presidential vote for either candidate in the November election, but now that it seems like Obama is the Democratic candidate, I will be voting for him.

It should not be this difficult, folks.
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I've heard some grumblings about voting for McCain, but I'm not going there.

These two are exactly the same goddamn thing.

Not voting for the Democrat is the same thing as voting for the Republican. You can fool yourself all you want about it being some sort of "symbolic" protest vote, but the McCain people are more than happy to have you cast your vote for them that way.
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I think it is frankly quite ridiculous, for Hillary supporters to not vote for Obama (just as I have vehemently noted how ridiculous it has been for Obama supporters to hurl insults at Hillary). Both have been excellent candidates who have substantially equivalent platforms, and considering that election promises are routinely made out of idealism, rather than the pragmatic process that is Congressional approval, there's a good chance that you'll probably end up with the same end result with either candidate. As such, all this bad blood between the two sides is just nonsense. I would have been equally happy to cast a presidential vote for either candidate in the November election, but now that it seems like Obama is the Democratic candidate, I will be voting for him.

It should not be this difficult, folks.
No shit.
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These two are exactly the same goddamn thing.

Not voting for the Democrat is the same thing as voting for the Republican. You can fool yourself all you want about it being some sort of "symbolic" protest vote, but the McCain people are more than happy to have you cast your vote for them that way.

And so it goes.
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I can't fathom why a person who supported Clinton would not vote for Obama. When it comes down to it, they have almost identical views over numerous issues. Why would you not do it? That's why I was disgusted months ago that certain people would not vote for Clinton if she had won instead. Give me a break.

I supported Clinton early on, but there's no way I would not vote for Obama.
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If the democrats don't win this election base on the track record of the current adminstration there is something deeply, horrifically wrong with the american people.
No. If the Democrats lose this then there is something horrifically wrong with the Democratic party, not the American people.
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I can't fathom why a person who supported Clinton would not vote for Obama. When it comes down to it, they have almost identical views over numerous issues. Why would you not do it? That's why I was disgusted months ago that certain people would not vote for Clinton if she had won instead. Give me a break.

I supported Clinton early on, but there's no way I would not vote for Obama.

Well, according to exit polling, 15% of registered white Democrats said that RACE was important in choosing their candidate.
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