Why will the republicans win in 2008?

Dreadsox · 12-29-2007, 09:48 PM

Thoughts?

I believe Iraq may have turned the corner and if this is true, it puts the Republicans on solid ground leaving the democrats with a candidate that is opposed to the war.

phillyfan26 · 12-29-2007, 09:50 PM

I can't see a Republican winning.

As I've stated before, they're similar in weaknesses to the Dems of '04.

anitram · 12-29-2007, 09:52 PM

They won't.

Dreadsox · 12-29-2007, 10:01 PM

Not the point of the thread. Do you have an issue, or see them winning and how.

Personnaly, I think Iraq may push McCain right up there.

U2democrat · 12-29-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Dreadsox

Personnaly, I think Iraq may push McCain right up there.

Unless something drastically changes i think this could very well be true.

Dreadsox · 12-29-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by U2democrat

Unless something drastically changes i think this could very well be true.

His ad that is currently running kicks ass.

It is not an attack ad. It is about him period, and about making unpopular decisions.

If I did not feel he had sold out to the right, I may very well be jumping on his bandwagon. But my heart says he has overpandered.

anitram · 12-29-2007, 10:30 PM

No I don't see any way they can win. The public doesn't care about Iraq anymore, which helps neither party at this point. The Republicans have no domestic issue that will push them over the top.

They only way I can see them winning is if there is another terrorist attack on mainland US before the election (heaven forbid) or the elections are fixed or they dig up some truly scandalous stuff on whoever the Dem candidate is. That's pretty much it.

phillyfan26 · 12-29-2007, 10:31 PM

Who among them hasn't pandered?

U2democrat · 12-29-2007, 10:32 PM

There's a difference between pandering to say, southerners v. northerners and Jerry Falwell and the Bob Jones university...

BonosSaint · 12-29-2007, 10:35 PM

Because I'll likely be voting for a democrat and my track record sucks.

U2democrat · 12-29-2007, 10:35 PM

Dreadsox · 12-29-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by U2democrat
There's a difference between pandering to say, southerners v. northerners and Jerry Falwell and the Bob Jones university...

I guess it causes me to question how badly he wants it. I loved the maverick and I hated what they did to him, his wife, and his child in 2000.

Now he has been kissing their asses. I do not have that in me, and I wonder what it takes to become that person. Maybe not understanding it causes me to distrust it.

coemgen · 12-30-2007, 12:17 AM

They won't be winning because Barack Obama is a Democrat.

UberBeaver · 12-30-2007, 12:24 AM

They won't win because even if Iraq turns into Las Vegas overnight, their watch still fucked up the current housing situation and that will be more real to the American people over the next 10 months than Iraq.

maycocksean · 12-30-2007, 12:58 AM

I think the Republicans will win because I don't see any of the Democratic front runners being able to compete in the general election. We haven't even begun to see the kind of ugliness that's going to come out against say, Clinton, when the Republican campaign turns it full wrath against it's Dem opponent.

This says a lot more about my cynicism and perhaps arrogant view of the intellect of the American electorate (though to be frank, I have to hold up the last two presidential elections as Exhibit A and the continuing popularity of Bill O'Reilly and his ilk to justify such arrogance) than it does about the actual worth of the candidates.

I hope that I'm proved totally wrong. And I will joyfully eat my words.

2861U2 · 12-30-2007, 01:06 AM

As one of the minority Republicans here, I feel pretty confident about the GOP in 2008, for a number of reasons.

Iraq: As stated before, Iraq has improved drastically in the past year. The surge has been successful, and the deathtoll is at its lowest since the war began. This could and will help the Republicans, especially McCain and Giuliani. I noticed someone in the other thread say that the public doesnt care about Iraq, and that is nonsense. If anything, the public is not informed of the current status due to the lack of positive reporting by irresponsible media. The Bhutto assassination put the War on Terror on the front pages again. My dad said something the other day that I agree with. He said "That just goes to show that Al-Qaeda, if they really wanted to, could take out absolutely anybody." If most Americans have that mindset, I think that definetely benefits the Republicans.

Taxes: On this particular issue, I do not understand why every single person does not favor the GOP. I don't know much about economics, but I do know that I'm pretty sure most Americans want to keep as much money as possible. The Democrats want to end the tax cuts (which, by the way, EVERYONE gets- not just the rich), which will have the effect of a tax increase. Do Americans honestly want the government (particularly this irresponisble, spending-obsessed Congress) to have more of their hard earned money? Do Americans honestly think that they aren't paying the government enough? It baffles me. In shaky economic times, I don't think that can help.

The Clinton factor: I've said it before and I'll say it again. I hope Hillary is our opponent next year. I'm confident that the American people will, after studying her, want to get away from the Clinton machine. Hopefully they have enough sense to not allow Bill back in the White House. There was a poll out recently asking who people want to prevent from becoming president, and Hillary "won" with 40%. With a number like that, and unfavorable ratings at 50-some percent, I just cannot see how she can win.

The 2006 elections: I think the 2006 Democratic victories may be a blessing in disguise for the Republicans. I believe people will look at Congress and their complete lack of accomplishment and reject having more of the same. These people were elected with promises of change, and they have delivered zero. Suddenly Bush's approval rating doesn't seem so laughable when you look at Congress' hovering in the low teens at best.

So, basically, I'm not too worried at all right now. If McCain is the nominee (:Pray: ), I would say that the Republicans may even be the favorite. McCain beats Hillary in most polls I've seen, and would certainly attract more independents.

ETA: I think it would help if Ron Paul ran as a third-party, as he would take votes away from Hillary regarding the war. Sounds like he doesn't plan on it, but you never know.

phillyfan26 · 12-30-2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by 2861U2
As stated before, Iraq has improved drastically in the past year. The surge has been successful, and the deathtoll is at its lowest since the war began.

If anything, the public is not informed of the current status due to the lack of positive reporting by irresponsible media.

Hopefully they have enough sense to not allow Bill back in the White House.

I believe people will look at Congress and their complete lack of accomplishment and reject having more of the same.

These people were elected with promises of change, and they have delivered zero. Suddenly Bush's approval rating doesn't seem so laughable when you look at Congress' hovering in the low teens at best.

Everything remaining in this quote is irrelevant, wrong, or both:

Naturally things got better with a surge. There's more troops. But it's unsustainable. Plus, there's been no developments politically.

The reason the media isn't reporting on it is because there's been no real developments. Until something that can last is in place, what does it all mean?

Hilary isn't Bill.

For Congress: The reason their approval ratings are low are because they haven't been able to stop the GOP, mostly thanks to the remaining GOP congressmen and the President.

2861U2 · 12-30-2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by phillyfan26

The reason the media isn't reporting on it is because there's been no real developments. Until something that can last is in place, what does it all mean?

How about the fact that violence is way down? The media seems so eager to share when things are grim, why not the same eagerness when things improve?

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Originally posted by phillyfan26

Hilary isn't Bill.

Did I say that? I said I think most Americans do not want Bill back in the White House.

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Originally posted by phillyfan26
For Congress: The reason their approval ratings are low are because they haven't been able to stop the GOP, mostly thanks to the remaining GOP congressmen and the President.

Nice try. If you run a campaign season on the promise of ending the war, you darn well better end the war. Don't try and pin the Democrats' total failures on the GOP. Reid and Pelosi are disgraces to the offices they hold.

phillyfan26 · 12-30-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally posted by 2861U2
How about the fact that violence is way down? The media seems so eager to share when things are grim, why not the same eagerness when things improve?

Did I say that? I said I think most Americans do not want Bill back in the White House.

Nice try. If you run a campaign season on the promise of ending the war, you darn well better end the war. Don't try and pin the Democrats' total failures on the GOP. Reid and Pelosi are disgraces to the offices they hold.

There was a discussion in a thread a week or two back about why violence is down. I'll try to find a link after I post this.

Well, I believed you to be implying that Hilary is just going to let Bill call the shots. I don't think anyone gives a shit if Bill's in the living space.

I do think Reid and Pelosi have done a poor job, but I certainly think it's more the fault of the GOP than anything.

ETA: Said link: http://forum.interference.com/showth...37#post4835137

2861U2 · 12-30-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by phillyfan26

Well, I believed you to be implying that Hilary is just going to let Bill call the shots. I don't think anyone gives a shit if Bill's in the living space.

I would be astounded if Bill did not have some sort of influence on Hillary's policies (I mean moreso than the typical spouse's role). I fear that, as Rush says, people would be electing him to a third term without him being on the ballot.

Thanks for the link.

12-29-2007, 09:48 PM	#1
Dreadsox ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,885 Local Time: 08:42 PM	Why will the republicans win in 2008? Thoughts? I believe Iraq may have turned the corner and if this is true, it puts the Republicans on solid ground leaving the democrats with a candidate that is opposed to the war. __________________

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phillyfan26 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 30,343 Local Time: 08:42 PM	I can't see a Republican winning. As I've stated before, they're similar in weaknesses to the Dems of '04. __________________

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12-29-2007, 09:52 PM	#3
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 09:42 PM	They won't.

12-29-2007, 10:01 PM	#4
Dreadsox ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,885 Local Time: 08:42 PM	Not the point of the thread. Do you have an issue, or see them winning and how. Personnaly, I think Iraq may push McCain right up there.

12-29-2007, 10:30 PM	#7
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 09:42 PM	No I don't see any way they can win. The public doesn't care about Iraq anymore, which helps neither party at this point. The Republicans have no domestic issue that will push them over the top. They only way I can see them winning is if there is another terrorist attack on mainland US before the election (heaven forbid) or the elections are fixed or they dig up some truly scandalous stuff on whoever the Dem candidate is. That's pretty much it.

12-29-2007, 10:31 PM	#8
phillyfan26 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 30,343 Local Time: 08:42 PM	Who among them hasn't pandered?

12-29-2007, 10:32 PM	#9
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 01:42 AM	There's a difference between pandering to say, southerners v. northerners and Jerry Falwell and the Bob Jones university...

12-29-2007, 10:35 PM	#10
BonosSaint Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,566 Local Time: 09:42 PM	Because I'll likely be voting for a democrat and my track record sucks.

12-30-2007, 12:17 AM	#13
coemgen Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Black and White Town Posts: 3,962 Local Time: 08:42 PM	They won't be winning because Barack Obama is a Democrat.

12-30-2007, 12:24 AM	#14
UberBeaver Breakdancing Soul Pilgrim Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: the most serious...douch hammer ever Posts: 20,318 Local Time: 08:42 PM	They won't win because even if Iraq turns into Las Vegas overnight, their watch still fucked up the current housing situation and that will be more real to the American people over the next 10 months than Iraq.

12-30-2007, 12:58 AM	#15
maycocksean Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,915 Local Time: 08:42 PM	I think the Republicans will win because I don't see any of the Democratic front runners being able to compete in the general election. We haven't even begun to see the kind of ugliness that's going to come out against say, Clinton, when the Republican campaign turns it full wrath against it's Dem opponent. This says a lot more about my cynicism and perhaps arrogant view of the intellect of the American electorate (though to be frank, I have to hold up the last two presidential elections as Exhibit A and the continuing popularity of Bill O'Reilly and his ilk to justify such arrogance) than it does about the actual worth of the candidates. I hope that I'm proved totally wrong. And I will joyfully eat my words.

12-30-2007, 01:06 AM	#16
2861U2 Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: watching the Cubs Posts: 4,318 Local Time: 07:42 PM	As one of the minority Republicans here, I feel pretty confident about the GOP in 2008, for a number of reasons. Iraq: As stated before, Iraq has improved drastically in the past year. The surge has been successful, and the deathtoll is at its lowest since the war began. This could and will help the Republicans, especially McCain and Giuliani. I noticed someone in the other thread say that the public doesnt care about Iraq, and that is nonsense. If anything, the public is not informed of the current status due to the lack of positive reporting by irresponsible media. The Bhutto assassination put the War on Terror on the front pages again. My dad said something the other day that I agree with. He said "That just goes to show that Al-Qaeda, if they really wanted to, could take out absolutely anybody." If most Americans have that mindset, I think that definetely benefits the Republicans. Taxes: On this particular issue, I do not understand why every single person does not favor the GOP. I don't know much about economics, but I do know that I'm pretty sure most Americans want to keep as much money as possible. The Democrats want to end the tax cuts (which, by the way, EVERYONE gets- not just the rich), which will have the effect of a tax increase. Do Americans honestly want the government (particularly this irresponisble, spending-obsessed Congress) to have more of their hard earned money? Do Americans honestly think that they aren't paying the government enough? It baffles me. In shaky economic times, I don't think that can help. The Clinton factor: I've said it before and I'll say it again. I hope Hillary is our opponent next year. I'm confident that the American people will, after studying her, want to get away from the Clinton machine. Hopefully they have enough sense to not allow Bill back in the White House. There was a poll out recently asking who people want to prevent from becoming president, and Hillary "won" with 40%. With a number like that, and unfavorable ratings at 50-some percent, I just cannot see how she can win. The 2006 elections: I think the 2006 Democratic victories may be a blessing in disguise for the Republicans. I believe people will look at Congress and their complete lack of accomplishment and reject having more of the same. These people were elected with promises of change, and they have delivered zero. Suddenly Bush's approval rating doesn't seem so laughable when you look at Congress' hovering in the low teens at best. So, basically, I'm not too worried at all right now. If McCain is the nominee (:Pray: ), I would say that the Republicans may even be the favorite. McCain beats Hillary in most polls I've seen, and would certainly attract more independents. ETA: I think it would help if Ron Paul ran as a third-party, as he would take votes away from Hillary regarding the war. Sounds like he doesn't plan on it, but you never know.