Why will the republicans win in 2008?

[2861U2]

Originally posted by financeguy



Date of birth: January 29, 1988

You're old enough, why haven't you enlisted then?

Explain yourself, neo-con.

Go search previous threads. I've played this game before.

I don't get the relevence of your post to the discussion, anyway.

[BVS]

Originally posted by 2861U2


That's another thing. You use the word "failure" three times here. I don't think a majority of people view Iraq as a "huge failure," regardless of whether they think we should be there now or not.

I haven't ran a poll or anything, but even my most Republican friends think it's a huge failure. There are many who are willing to admit it was grossly mismanaged and a failure, but are still going to vote Republican.

Originally posted by 2861U2

I sure hope those quotes and facts like them are used in the general campaign. The Democrats are going to have a hard time explaining how it was dangerous to leave back then, but somehow it isn't dangerous now. The Republicans have stuck with the war when it was popular and when it was unpopular, unlike the Democrats who go with whichever way the wind is blowing.

This doesn't even make sense.

Originally posted by 2861U2

I honestly don't understand how a quote means nothing, in your mind. You really think there isn't a single thing wrong about Hillary warning against a withdrawal date back then, but now being in total support of one?

Context, context, context.

[BVS]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Taxes: On this particular issue, I do not understand why every single person does not favor the GOP. I don't know much about economics, but I do know that I'm pretty sure most Americans want to keep as much money as possible. The Democrats want to end the tax cuts (which, by the way, EVERYONE gets- not just the rich), which will have the effect of a tax increase. Do Americans honestly want the government (particularly this irresponisble, spending-obsessed Congress) to have more of their hard earned money? Do Americans honestly think that they aren't paying the government enough? It baffles me. In shaky economic times, I don't think that can help.

I actually had this conversation last night. It makes me laugh when Republicans, especially young ones which this guy was, talk about taxes as a selling point for the GOP.

You guys want your endless wars, you want your big walls, etc...

Yet you want Jesus to pay for it, because Jesus loves war and seperation.

Seriously. Young Republicans, do not use taxes and small government as selling points for your party. That is not what your party stands for anymore, you are using selling points of the past, actually look at your party before you make these kind of comments. Otherwise, you'll just get laughed at.

[anitram]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


I actually had this conversation last night. It makes me laugh when Republicans, especially young ones which this guy was, talk about taxes as a selling point for the GOP.

You guys want your endless wars, you want your big walls, etc...

The free market will correct for all of those.

Just like the Iraqi oil paid for the war.

[deep]

Why will the republicans win in 2008?

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[maycocksean]

Originally posted by deep


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Wow, you see him entering the race? I mean I agree, he would be formidable.

[ntalwar]

wikipedia was updated with:

On December 31, 2007, Bloomberg stated unequivocally, live on the Dick Clark New Year's Eve TV Show, that he was not going to run for president in 2008.

[coemgen]

Yeah, but he's meeting with a bunch of people soon where he's expected to announce a third-party candidacy. The group is a mix of moderate Republicans and Dems who are conncerned over the divide in American politics. They just had a big deal about it on CNN's the Situation Room today.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally posted by deep


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because the democratics once again fail to put forth a candidate that can get the masses excited, thus lose votes to a viable third party candidate?

[deep]

Originally posted by maycocksean
Wow, you see him entering the race? I mean I agree, he would be formidable.

Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase
because the democratics once again fail to put forth a candidate that can get the masses excited, thus lose votes to a viable third party candidate?

I posted over in this
thread starting on page 24 of 2008 Presidential Campaign
why I think bloomberg could be the reason the GOP win the Whitehouse in 2008

[Headache in a Suitcase]

yes i read that... but it still comes back to the fact that the democrats are a splintered party whom are unable to find a candidate to truely energize the base and thus are very vulnerable to a viable third party candidate.

[anitram]

Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase
yes i read that... but it still comes back to the fact that the democrats are a splintered party whom are unable to find a candidate to truely energize the base and thus are very vulnerable to a viable third party candidate.

I don't think this is true this time around. The Republicans are the ones who can't come up with a candidate to energize any large faction, much less the base.

That said, Bloomberg would certainly cost the Dems votes.

[ntalwar]

Bloomberg could cost Republicans some votes as well. He is liberal on some issues, conservative on others.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase
yes i read that... but it still comes back to the fact that the democrats are a splintered party whom are unable to find a candidate to truely energize the base and thus are very vulnerable to a viable third party candidate.

I think that's true to a degree. I know many people (including some in here, if I'm not mistaken) who like Obama or Edwards, but don't like Hillary at all and wouldn't vote for her. That's probably not real good for a party.

[anitram]

Originally posted by 2861U2


I think that's true to a degree. I know many people (including some in here, if I'm not mistaken) who like Obama or Edwards, but don't like Hillary at all and wouldn't vote for her. That's probably not real good for a party.

And how many people like McCain but hate Romney? How many people like Ron Paul and hate the rest of them? How many people like Huckabee and can't stand Giuliani? If anything, it's the Republican field that's a total mess.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by anitram


And how many people like McCain but hate Romney? How many people like Ron Paul and hate the rest of them? How many people like Huckabee and can't stand Giuliani? If anything, it's the Republican field that's a total mess.

And that's also true. The Republican electorate is divided. But the Democrats are too. It's not like the Democratic base is all one big happy family that is completely 100% satisfied with Hillary.

[ntalwar]

The top 5 Republicans seem to each have between 10 and 20% support - that seems pretty fractured to me. I think it'll largely be a "lesser of two (or three) evils" election for many in November.

[BVS]

Yeah if I were to make a judgement as to which party is more fractured at this moment, it would definately be the Republican party. They don't have much to unite them. They aren't united on the war, they aren't even united on Jesus this time around, they have very little holding them together... except hating men who love other men.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
They don't have much to unite them. They aren't united on the war, they aren't even united on Jesus this time around, they have very little holding them together... except hating men who love other men.

What are you talking about? With the exception of Ron Paul, most Republicans still support this war and the idea of combating terrorism rather than running away.

And please explain your Jesus comment. I don't know what that means.

[phillyfan26]

I think he means that Mitt Romney's Mormon, and it's caused a stir among the party.