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Old 12-30-2007, 12:09 AM   #21
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Exchange students can't vote because they aren't U.S. citizens.
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Old 12-30-2007, 12:16 AM   #22
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I hope that its not Hilary I won't campaign for her.
Unico where do you get your information about low voter turn out? According to the U.S. census bureau in 2004 sixty-four percent of U.S. citizens age 18 and over voted in the 2004 presidential election. It would have been more had the Republicans not pulled their dirty tricks such as voter caging, which is illegal.
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I think these were US students in Canada.
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Do you really think he'll be able to wrest the nomination from Hillary? She's a pretty formidable force and I really don't see her withering any time soon.

We'll see what happens in Iowa Thursday though. . .
He has to win Iowa and New Hampshire to generate enough buzz to overcome Hillary elsewhere. It'll be tight but possible.

But if he's the nominee, he will be the next President. Here's why.

3. Party Enthusiasm. He'll get democrats out in record numbers. Young voters and black voters will turn out like they never have before.

2. Bipartisan Appeal. He'll draw a substantial majority of independent voters. Independents voted 65% for dems in the 2006 midterms. Unlike Hillary, he'll be able to at least hold that number. There are even republicans who will vote for Obama. You can't say that about Hillary.

1. GOP Indifference. Unlike Hillary, Obama won't inspire an aggressive GOP/evangelical campaign against him. The midterms showed that a lot of GOP voters are disappointed and disillusioned right now. More than is typical will just stay home...that is, unless Hillary's the nominee.
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They will win because people are fed up with Bush and company. The question is, if Hillary gets the nomination, will people vote for a woman? If Obama gets the nomination, will people get over their prejudices?
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It would have been more had the Republicans not pulled their dirty tricks such as voter caging, which is illegal.
You know what else is illegal? Folks from the Kerry/Edwards campaign going around slashing people's tires.
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He has to win Iowa and New Hampshire to generate enough buzz to overcome Hillary elsewhere. It'll be tight but possible.

But if he's the nominee, he will be the next President. Here's why.

3. Party Enthusiasm. He'll get democrats out in record numbers. Young voters and black voters will turn out like they never have before.

2. Bipartisan Appeal. He'll draw a substantial majority of independent voters. Independents voted 65% for dems in the 2006 midterms. Unlike Hillary, he'll be able to at least hold that number. There are even republicans who will vote for Obama. You can't say that about Hillary.

1. GOP Indifference. Unlike Hillary, Obama won't inspire an aggressive GOP/evangelical campaign against him. The midterms showed that a lot of GOP voters are disappointed and disillusioned right now. More than is typical will just stay home...that is, unless Hillary's the nominee.
I hope you're right. I think Hillary Clinton would do a great job as president, but I don't want her to get the nomination because, as I've already stated, I don't think she can win. There is a very strong undercurrent of dislike for Hillary Clinton in this country (see 2861U2's comments on her for an example of what I mean) and the Republicans will milk that for all it's worth. I like Obama, but even he will have an uphill battle. I disagree that the Republicans won't turn their venom on him if he's nominated. They will, and I fully expect that we will see highly sophisticated attacks that will play upon the latent racist fears of the Rush crowd.
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They will, and I fully expect that we will see highly sophisticated attacks that will play upon the latent racist fears of the Rush crowd.
I would be careful here. I don't think most of the "Rush crowd" are racists. I don't like Obama for a number of reasons, but the color of his skin has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Are you denying that there are people who would never vote for him because he's black?
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Are you denying that there are people who would never vote for him because he's black?
No, not at all. I'm sure there are. But I'm also confident that most of Rush's audience are not racists.
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I meant more that it is no longer the driving issue the way it was in the 2006 elections - nothing to do with not caring about say, the troops in the field. Although if we're being honest I think there is a very large apathetic portion of the population which frankly gives the troops pretty much zero thought.

At this point, the fatalities are down, but I don't think the war is being won politically at all. It's like slapping on a band aid. The public cares about secondary things related to the war - ie. the budget, spending, and so on, not the day to day happenings, they way they did before the last midterms.
I tend to agree with you. I am pretty immersed in the political climate where I live and it's a pretty left-leaning one at that. The conversations I'm hearing are much more centered around the US economy than the war. It doesn't mean there isn't still a big concern for the Iraq situation but the imminent recession seems to be the major concern as we head into the new year.
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But I'm also confident that most of Rush's audience are not racists.
You think?
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You think?
Yeah, I really do. If you think otherwise, please provide evidence to why you think Rush listener = racist.
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I would say a rather sizely portion are racists. The kind that would never make it obvious, but hide some very racists attitudes.

My reasoning? Based on the majority of Rush listeners I know in real life and based on the fact that the man has said some extremely racist comments in the past and they've always been supported by his listeners.

We have an old thread on it.
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to answer the question ... i think if Obama is the nominee, he will win in a landslide against any Republican.

if it's Hillary, she can win against anybody but McCain. she could still win against him, but it would be a nailbiter, i think.

Edwards would beat all the Republicans except for McCain.
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I would say a rather sizely portion are racists. The kind that would never make it obvious, but hide some very racists attitudes.

My reasoning? Based on the majority of Rush listeners I know in real life and based on the fact that the man has said some extremely racist comments in the past and they've always been supported by his listeners.

We have an old thread on it.


Well, in that case, I have sufficient evidence to claim that Keith Olbermann and his viewers support terrorism.

But I don't want to get off-topic.
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you should ask Rush about black quarterbacks.
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Ahhh yes, the one statement that comes up over and over again that, actually, is in no way racist or insensitive.

What else ya got?
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Ahhh yes, the one statement that comes up over and over again that, actually, is in no way racist or insensitive.

What else ya got?


because you say it isn't something, then it is so?

i am fully willing to argue that more conservatives are racists -- there was a little thing called the Southern Strategy, and race has been used time and time again by the Republicans -- everything from "welfare queens" to Willie Horton to Jessie Helms and affirmative action to the Harold Ford Junior-likes-to-fuck-white-women ad from 2006 to the "is Obama a Mulslim?" -- and it seems to win them election after election.

what i do like about conservatives is that many openly admit to being racist. as opposed to those on the left end of the spectrum who hide behind feel good language.

but racism is racism.
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these two threads started nicely.
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