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Old 09-19-2002, 05:37 PM   #21
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Re: Who would you bump off?

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Albert Einstein
Babe Ruth
Abraham Lincoln
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I agree that the easy answer would be Babe Ruth, Picasso and Shakespeare. These men didn't really change the world in respect to technological or scientific realms, but they certainly brought more pleasure to humanity than say Einstein, Lincoln and Plato.

After reading the Gore Vidal biography on Abraham Lincoln I've infered that he never cared the freeing of slaves. His main objective was to maintain a power union of states. You take this key trait away from his historic reputation and he's no more than another U.S. President who stuck his nose in someone else's business. I'd say, bump him

Shakespeare was just a playwrite. He inspired millions of boring, pretentious, and snobby people to believe that they knew more about art and literature simply because they could recite his sonnets and monologues. It's true that he plagarized (i.e. STOLE) almost all of his plotlines, and characters from earlier works. Some of those works came from his peers. His plays alone may be revered, but he could also get bumped and it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Babe Ruth was a fat, selfish, slob. He hit 60 home runs when it was unheard of to hit more than 25 in a single season. That's a novelity in the longterm of humanity. Need I say more? Bump his fat skeleton out of notoreity.
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Yeah our class was pretty harsh on Babe Ruth too

Our group got ride of
Babe Ruth
Einstein
Picasso

mainly bc Babe Ruth did a thing fer American spirit during the great depression.... but there'd still be baseball without him... and when you put him with the other names in the list, he seems so out of place.

This guy in my group was REALLY opposed to nuclear weapons and stuff and so didn't want Einstein to be around to have contributed to that...since they've killed so many people and continue to pose a ginormous threat

We couldn't name one of Picasso's works
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Danospano your opinion about Shakespeare astounds me. I guess Im a boring pretentious snobby person then?
Not made a difference?
Im shocked at all of this.
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Danospano your opinion about Shakespeare astounds me. I guess Im a boring pretentious snobby person then?
I guess I am too.

Also, he did lift some PLOTLINES from earlier works. But plot really wasn't what made Shakespeare great (and he WAS great, IMO). His genius was language, not plot. I'm sorry you don't like his work, but that doesn't mean anyone who did is snobby and pretentious.
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I cant believe you would all kill Picasso! Murderers!

On a side note, those who are not blown away or knocked out with Shakespeare's talent are not automatically dumb or uneducated. There seems to be this notion, and by no means in this thread, that to appreciate him or understand him enough requires this certain intellect. That may be true but 'not getting it' or just plain not liking it does not denote the contrary.
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the thing is...i hate english sooo much.....i can 'do' maths and science but.....i just don't understand whats so fascinating about reading a book that is so hard to undersytand that half the thickness of the book is just vocabulary and explaining jokes.....y'know the ones that aren't funny at all, being centuries old and all...i mean i enjoy reading...but generally i read books for fun and shakespeare is not my idea of fun
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Christ said that a man commits adultry in his heart when he even thinks about it. Does this mean we are committing murder by thinking about it?

I am through with this conversation.


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This exercise is provocative. It makes one think what is important to them, society and humanity at large.



Babe Ruth is on almost everybody’s list. He is my easiest pick. Jackie Robinson is more important to baseball and sports in general than the Babe. Sure, someone else would have broken the color barrier. But, his poise and class were unique.

I love Picaso and his contributions to the twentieth century art movement. Art would have evolved, perhaps differently. I do not lightly dismiss him.

Shakespeare contributions are unmatched to literature and play writing. Moliere is great, Joe Orton’s short career is amazing. Oscar Wilde turned a clever phase. But, Shakespeare is unequaled. And I advocate for his survival.



The third pick is the hardest. I believe Einstein’s break through would have been discovered by someone else.

I believe Ghandi’s passive resistance methods were trail blazing for leaders that followed. MLK jr for example. I admire him greatly, but believe someone else would have came to the forefront. It is hard to imagine “Pride” without MLK and his demise. I love that song.

Lastly, I do not believe this thread is in poor taste. We are not committing murder in our hearts. I take this thread to mean: What if this person had never been born.

If one is worried about sins of the heart. They should not look at TV or magazines or anywhere you might see advertising. That could lead you to “covet” things. Remember: “Thou shall not covet....”
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Lastly, I do not believe this thread is in poor taste. We are not committing murder in our hearts. I take this thread to mean: What if this person had never been born.
No, I also don´t believe this thread is tasteless. I just wonder that some teachers seem to have stupid education methods. I wonder that the kids don´t come up and say "What kind of crap exercise is this?"

It would be different if you ask: what qualities of the persons mentioned above do you think are the most important qualities in our world/ society. Then you can not only discuss about if Einstein or Shakespeare is "bumped off", but what contributions Einstein made to this world except of nuclear power. You could speak about Research and Development, and how and why so many physicians work with or are part of the arms industry. What do you think Afghan pupils would think is important for our society, etc. etc. (oh, but then you maybe have to have fear as a teacher that you lose your job because parents think you are a bad influence...?...)

The bump off story seems to make it a thingie to play around with. You could also interprete it like "I got above mentioned people on my black list - who dies first?" so I figure its kinda packed the wrong way - - - imho. Plus I don´t think that this teacher is really stupid, or a bad person, its just a general carelessness that slips in.

(I see this in our news programmes too. Really, in the eighties news were more laid back - not the content, the form. Now you get the feeling of a fanfare, or a hymn, when they play the intros. Every formal aspect gets a little more aggressive, you know, just a little bit.... harder).
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I would KEEP Babe Ruth.
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I would KEEP Babe Ruth.
OK

Then who of the other candidates would you select to have never been born?
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The original question is which 3 of the 8 would I have killed. My answer is none of them.

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Re: Who would you bump off?

The question was poorly worded and did not make much sense.

Gandhi, MLK Jr and Abraham Lincoln were all killed.

I thought the exercised was devised to make the students evaluate the contributions these people made. That is why I answered it with the criteria: Who would you select not to have been born?
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Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Osama bin Laden.
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Stalin got a pass?
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In response to those people that were defending Shakespeare I'd just like to make it clear that William could write. He could write very beautifully, but I felt that his words didn't propel humanity in ANY direction. They were medieval sitcoms and dramas....

...and no I don't think that ALL Shakespeare admirers are pretentious....just the bigger lot of them . I like the comment someone made about how intelligence and a love and understanding of his work are not synonymous with each other. That's a great point.
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Stalin got a pass?
Without Hitler's existence, perhaps Stalin could have been kept in check. But his non-existence would have been equally pleasing.

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We couldn't name one of Picasso's works
You're kidding me!

That needs to be solved... but I'll refrain for now
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