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Old 05-15-2003, 08:05 PM   #1
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Saving Private Lynch story 'flawed'


Private Lynch has lost her memory of her rescue



By John Kampfner




Private Jessica Lynch became an icon of the war, and the story of her capture by the Iraqis and her rescue by US special forces became one of the great patriotic moments of the conflict.

But her story is one of the most stunning pieces of news management ever conceived.

There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound



Dr Harith a-Houssona

Private Lynch, a 19-year-old army clerk from Palestine, West Virginia, was captured when her company took a wrong turning just outside Nasiriya and was ambushed.

Nine of her comrades were killed and Private Lynch was taken to the local hospital, which at the time was swarming with Fedayeen. Eight days later US special forces stormed the hospital, capturing the "dramatic" events on a night vision camera.

They were said to have come under fire from inside and outside the building, but they made it to Lynch and whisked her away by helicopter.


Dr a-Houssona found no bullet wounds
Reports claimed that she had stab and bullet wounds and that she had been slapped about on her hospital bed and interrogated.

But Iraqi doctors in Nasiriya say they provided the best treatment they could for the soldier in the midst of war. She was assigned the only specialist bed in the hospital and one of only two nurses on the floor.

"I examined her, I saw she had a broken arm, a broken thigh and a dislocated ankle," said Dr Harith a-Houssona, who looked after her.

Jessica amnesia

"There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound - only road traffic accident. They want to distort the picture. I don't know why they think there is some benefit in saying she has a bullet injury."

Witnesses told us that the special forces knew that the Iraqi military had fled a day before they swooped on the hospital.


Dr Uday was surprised by the manner of the rescue
"We were surprised. Why do this? There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital," said Dr Anmar Uday, who worked at the hospital.

"It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'go, go, go', with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - action movies like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

There was one more twist. Two days before the snatch squad arrived, Harith had arranged to deliver Jessica to the Americans in an ambulance.

But as the ambulance, with Private Lynch inside, approached a checkpoint American troops opened fire, forcing it to flee back to the hospital. The Americans had almost killed their prize catch.

Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen



General Vincent Brooks


When footage of the rescue was released, General Vincent Brooks, US spokesman in Doha, said: "Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen, loyal to a ***** that they know that they'll never leave a fallen comrade."

The American strategy was to ensure the right television footage by using embedded reporters and images from their own cameras, editing the film themselves.

The Pentagon had been influenced by Hollywood producers of reality TV and action movies, notably the man behind Black Hawk Down, Jerry Bruckheimer.

Bruckheimer advised the Pentagon on the primetime television series "Profiles from the Front Line", that followed US forces in Afghanistan in 2001. That approached was taken on and developed on the field of battle in Iraq.

As for Private Lynch, her status as cult hero is stronger than ever. Internet auction sites list Jessica Lynch items, from an oil painting with an opening bid of $200 to a $5 "America Loves Jessica Lynch" fridge magnet.

But doctors now say she has no recollection of the whole episode and probably never will.



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I know the Bush Administration has lied.

I heard more than one source say she had no bullet wounds or knife wounds.


Lynch is saying she can not remember anything. That way she does not have to say what is true.

I am happy she survived.
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Old 05-15-2003, 08:35 PM   #2
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I don't think this is a cover up -- she probably doesn't remember anything. She was in a traumatic situation and its probably her brain reacting by blocking out what happened. The brain just shuts down rather than reliving the incident. I also think I remember hearing she had a concussion, which could cause amnesia [could be wrong about the concussion though].
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She probably doesn't remember anything. Recovery from all of the she went through is hard enough without a controversy. I read where the report about the concussion wasn't true but who knows? She was a POW, and that's all we really need to know. She needs to left alone to recover in peace. I'll be pissed off if they bother her about this.
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Deep, is the second to last statement by you, or by the writer of the article?

If it's by you, I will ask - are you a doctor? How can you make a statement like that, that she lied? On the news, they said that many people go through memory loss after a traumatic experience like this. How would you feel if you came back from war after being an injured POW and people said you were lying about losing your memory.

Come on, Deep, we all know that you hate anything having t do with the administration, but you're taking it a little too far when you accuse a young brave soldier of lying, without any basis in fact whatsoever.
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This story really doesn't add anything and certainly doesn't show that the Bush Administration was lying. Special Forces went to the hospital thinking Iraqi soldiers were still there. An Iraqi doctor's assessment of the military situation would not be something to rely on in the midst of combat.

Reports of bullet and knife wounds floated around at first, but were soon dismissed once Lynch received medical care from US doctors.
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Come on, Deep, we all know that you hate anything having t do with the administration, but you're taking it a little too far when you accuse a young brave soldier of lying, without any basis in fact whatsoever.
i don't the article suggests lynch is lying so much as it suggests the 'spin-masters' of the government are taking advantage of the fact that she can't remember anything to fabricate a story which is much grander than would otherwise be true.
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I personally don't think she's lying about anything but I'm also not the least bit surprised that the Adminstration would take advantage of her memory loss to put their own spin on this whole thing.
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what BAW said
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i don't the article suggests lynch is lying so much as it suggests the 'spin-masters' of the government are taking advantage of the fact that she can't remember anything to fabricate a story which is much grander than would otherwise be true.
Nope, the article didn't suggest she is lying, but Deep sure did. This is what Deep said:


"Lynch is saying she can not remember anything. That way she does not have to say what is true. "
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The story was printed almost two weeks ago with an interview with the civilian Iraqi doctors. The first told of trying to give her back and being fired upon and the soldiers coming like commandos , but with two ruinning cameras. Splinter Cell anyone.

Also ditto BAW & Joyful Girl.
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Lynch is a poor 19-year-old from a small town where unemployment is 30%. She wanted to be a teacher. She enlisted to get education benefits to achieve her goal. I heard this information in an interview of people who know her. It was a few weeks ago. I think I am realling correctly.


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I donít think SHE is lying. I think she is not in control of the story.
I can see how you read what I wrote. It was not my intention to disparage her.
All of these young enlisted soldiers have my respect.

I do not hate the Administration. I am critical of a lot of their policies. I donít buy in to the ďall or nothingĒ mentality.

W is without a doubt the worst President in my lifetime. Eisenhower was president when I was born.
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He is definitely, without a doubt, the worst in your opinion. You'll have no problem convincing me of that.
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Deep,

"W is without a doubt the worst President in my lifetime. Eisenhower was president when I was born."

Well, in W's defense, he has done more for US foreign Policy in 2 years and 4 months he has been in office than Clinton did in 8 years as president.

In addition, the average unemployment rate in the USA under W is less than the average unemployment rate during Clintons first four years in office.
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Sting, I hate to disillusion you, but outside the US it is pretty commonly held that starting wars and bullying so-called "allies" is not stellar foreign policy. Oh and last time I checked, running up the largest deficit in history doesn't count as a wonderful domestic policy either. But nevermind. You keep telling yourself whatever it is you want to believe.
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But nevermind. You keep telling yourself whatever it is you want to believe.
Sula, that was pretty condescending.
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Well, I don't particularly like the deficits and what I see as bad diplomacy either. Some people might say I'm looking at the hole of a doughnut, but.........c'est la vie.
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AFTER THE WAR





There Was No Hussein Bunker, CBS Reports
From Reuters

May 29, 2003

WASHINGTON ó The Baghdad bunker that the United States said it bombed on the opening day of the Iraq war in a bid to kill Saddam Hussein never existed, a broadcast report said Wednesday.

"CBS Evening News" quoted a U.S. Army colonel in charge of inspecting key sites in Baghdad as saying no trace of a bunker or bodies was found at the site on the southern outskirts of the Iraqi capital.

"When we came out here, the primary thing they were looking for was an underground facility, or bodies, forensics, and basically what they saw was giant holes created. No underground facilities, no bodies," Col. Tim Madere said.

The network reported that the CIA searched the site once and that Madere searched it twice as part of efforts to find traces of DNA that could indicate if Hussein or his sons had been killed or wounded.

CBS said a palace of Hussein's remained standing amid the surrounding destruction. It quoted Madere as saying that anyone who had been in the building could have survived the raid.

Shortly after the attack, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told reporters: "There's no question but that the strike on that leadership headquarters was successful. We have photographs of what took place. The question is, what was in there?"

The U.S. in effect acknowledged the March 20 raid failed to kill Hussein when it launched a second attack aimed at the Iraqi president April 7. His fate and those of sons Uday and Qusai remain unclear.
Rumsfeld is advocating for a Nuke bomb called a bunker buster.

Supposedly it goes 5 stories underground. They say it is low risk?

This talk of Saddam being 5 stories underground is not plausible.

Baghdad is an alluvial plain. They would have to have large pumping stations going 24 hours a day, that would easily be detectable.


Well, It sounds the Iraq war may have begun with an ersatz attack. Faulty intelligence or deception?
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Well I know I was sceptical about WMD's. I'm not surprised that "Saddam's bunker" never existed.
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