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Old 03-10-2004, 04:15 PM   #1
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When i heard it, i did not believe it,...



http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5365.htm



http://www.ndrtv.de/cgi/pan_video/vi...20_schuesse.rm


Glad it was not a dog,....that would realy be a outrage.


Maybe Bush should use this in his election propaganda and the most awefull is, there will not be a investigation about this.


BTW, the last url is german speaking but the pictures will tell enough.
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Yeah I saw that on tv tonight and I too was disgusted. What's interesting is that CNN didn't give permission to Dutch TV to show the film on television because the subject was too sensitive back in the US.
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I guess you shoot first and ask questions later.
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I'd be interest to see the entire CNN piece, in context.
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I'd be interest to see the entire CNN piece, in context.
I think you can further down on the page.
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Wow.

The comments below are interesting to say the least.
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Old 03-11-2004, 01:22 PM   #8
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I'd be interest to see the entire CNN piece, in context.
Soldiers having big fun after killing a wounded iraqi does not need a context. It is a warcrime,....
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Drawing such a conclusion without understanding the context is irresponsible
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Drawing such a conclusion without understanding the context is irresponsible
Yeah, and shouting at wounded is agianst the rules of the geneva convention,...and a govement that not even want to investigate, that is irresponsible. i am only biased.
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I'd love to know what context would make murdering an injured person and then cheering about it acceptable.
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Below are some things ALL decent people must keep in mind for context:




You are either with US or against US.


It is GOOD vs. EVIL.


We (the US) are "ONE Nation Under GOD"



We can commit no War Crimes, we answer only to ourselves and GOD (Jesus the Christ).


Our leader is a practicing devout Christian and prays for the Lords guidance daily.


and three MORE reasons


911

911

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I'd love to know what context would make murdering an injured person and then cheering about it acceptable.
Committing or cheering a murder is not acceptable.

What is shown is a video fragment edited in a way to portray one soldier as giddy about killing. The video fragments may be taken out of context thus undermining the suggested conclusion.
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Quote:
"Below are some things ALL decent people must keep in mind for context:




You are either with US or against US.


It is GOOD vs. EVIL.


We (the US) are "ONE Nation Under GOD"



We can commit no War Crimes, we answer only to ourselves and GOD (Jesus the Christ).


Our leader is a practicing devout Christian and prays for the Lords guidance daily.


and three MORE reasons


911

911

911"


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What is shown is a video fragment edited in a way to portray one soldier as giddy about killing. The video fragments may be taken out of context thus undermining the suggested conclusion.
So quick to defend the indefensible.

The video shows a soldier murder a man who is lying on the ground injured. In what way do you believe this to have been edited in a way which undermines its validity?

The soldier is heared cheering in celebration after murdering the man. Are you suggesting the sound recording may not be accurate?
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Old 03-12-2004, 05:59 AM   #17
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Lets see...context....

Was the man shooting just before? Had he killed or hit someone with fire from his gun? Had he been sniping at them for a period of time?

So quick to judge another poster

Since we are into not putting words in peoples mouths (Being the champion and all), NB agreed that if the tape was correct, this situation was WRONG. Stating that you want more context, IS not defending, it is reasonable given the fact that pictures, and clips can be used and edited to make a point.

The soldier at the end...should be seeing a councilor.
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this is war , man against man , animal against animal , and gun-makers are living in paradise
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Lets see...context....

Was the man shooting just before? Had he killed or hit someone with fire from his gun? Had he been sniping at them for a period of time?

So quick to judge another poster

Since we are into not putting words in peoples mouths (Being the champion and all), NB agreed that if the tape was correct, this situation was WRONG. Stating that you want more context, IS not defending, it is reasonable given the fact that pictures, and clips can be used and edited to make a point.

The soldier at the end...should be seeing a councilor.
No NB said that "committing or cheering a murder is not acceptable". I'm really trying not to put words in his mouth, but his writings lead me to believe that he thinks there is a context in which this can be seen as something other that murder. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Personally I think context is always important or at least interesting, but I still think the possibillities you listed above Dread do not justify the soldiers behaviour. If a person seizes to be a threat then you take him or her prisoner. I believe that's in the Geneva convention.

Anyway, we will never know because the US authorities decided not to launch an investigation, not even after the context.
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Personally I think context is always important or at least interesting, but I still think the possibillities you listed above Dread do not justify the soldiers behaviour. If a person seizes to be a threat then you take him or her prisoner. I believe that's in the Geneva convention.
The cheering is horrific to me too....although if the man had killed some of theirs or been sniping at them all day, I could understand how the cheering occured. CONTEXT

I cannot remember from the footage if the person is still armed.
I cannot tell from the footage if there is another person with a gun out there that could prevent him from being taken prisoner.
I cannot tell if the crawling man shot a weapon just before the film started filiming.CONTEXT.

If it is accurate, it shows something very wrong. And I agree with you. I am not going to rush to judgement over and edited clip.
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