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Last January, I was in Dublin Ireland and had the opportunity to talk at length over several different days with a women from Pakistan. She told me that the majority of the people in Pakistan support the USA and want their help to safeguard against the possibility of war with India. She told me that the demonstrations that everyone sees on TV represent a minority of Pakistani's and while most were not thrilled about US bombing in Afghanistan, most understood why and were happy to help the USA and protect American citizens living in Pakistan from Muslim extremist. This of course concurs with what I had read in other area's about the true feeling of most Pakistanies on these issues. In regards to Iraq, I meant that the Soviet presense in Iraq would have prevented the USA from being able to successfully sanction Iraq at that time, if it had wanted to. Of course the USA at the time of the Iran/Iraq war prefered an Iraqi victory as opposed to a Iranian victory. In a bit of Irony, the Soviets did most of the work in helping Iraq defeat an thereby contain the Iranian threat to US interest in the region. Of course it was just a happy coincidence because the Soviets were simply protecting their interest in Iraq. "There was absolutely no way of unseating the Taleban? Scores of times regimes have been toppled without the need of a war. Why was it impossible to avoid the war this time?" The only strong opposition in the country to the Taliban was the Northern Alliance and they had been severely weakened. But with massive US airpower and special forces units, the Taliban were dislodged from power in a relatively short amount of time by Afghanistans standards and with a relatively small loss of life given Afghanistans history. Only strong military force could have dislodged the Taliban which had a death grip on Afghan society. When the military is supportive of what ever dictatorship is in power, outside military force is needed if the goal is to topple the regime. Reports by some of these media organizations have simply not been reliably proven. A lot of these same or similar organizations talked about a mass slaughter and Jenin. The international peace keeping forces are usually much more credible in determining these things because they are on the ground and have access to area's that are difficult for civilian journalist to get into. In addition, they have military and technical experts better prepared to acertain what happened in a given military situation. I know someone that is currently stationed in Afghanistan but has not been able to say much since he has been over there. He is coming home in a couple of months and I may get to see him then. I'll ask him how many cluster bombs he saw. I recognize the problem and there have been some accidents, but the problem is not as big as some have reported it to be. Most cluster bombs did explode on impact, but there are duds in some patches that do not and could explode at a later time. The problem is not even a tiny fraction of the problem with Soviet/Taliban/ and other factions that laid mines throughout the country. "The fact that nothing is heard on the press about hunting for Al-Qaeda members and bin Laden himself means that it's either not a priority any longer or that no noticeable progress has been made in such a hunt." I don't think I need to remind you that there are tons of things that happen on a daily basis that are not reported or not widely reported to the media. The CIA and FBI do not necessarily report about someone they have caputured or killed. Much of the hunting of Al-Quada is something that happens behind the scenes and is not something the media gets access to. The friend I have in Afghanistan is currently engaged in a massive sweep of Southwestern Afghanistan, little of which(and in some cases nothing) has been reported by the media. He talked to another one of my friends and said he would not be able to communicate for another 3 to 4 weeks. Try telling him the hunt for Al-Quada is not a priority. I admit that Bin Ladin could still be alive, but I would be amazed if he were. For a person, who desired to be seen so often, and was seen from and heard from until December of last year by doing his little TV propaganda operations, I doubt he would just give that up, but perhaps a light bulb turned on in his head and he realized that it was not wise to be attempting to be in the media so often. Perhaps he has been scared into being silent, at least temporarily. Because a year has gone by does not mean that Al-Quada is not operative. I think Al-Quada has some cells that continue to operate on their own, but in time they will be intercepted. But, then what would constitute as evidence that Al-Quada was no longer operative? |
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As a punishment, they should force Saddam to engage in a conversation with Dr. Phil who'll TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!
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it's us3 as in me, myself, and I. Or, stuck in the middle w/ u and bono's coal miner. stedman is as stedman does.... |
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Well, an Al-Qaeda commander has reappeared recently, as you must be aware, issuing threats of attacks on Berlin and Paris. Whether they've still got the power to fulfil them or not is something else. What would constitute a proof that Al-Qaeda is no longer operative? The capture alive or dead of bin Laden and his commanders would constitute a good starting point. If after this there are no more Al-Qaeda operations during a prudential lapse of time (a year, two, three?) it could be concluded that they are no longer operative - at least not in the present phase. |
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The one thing i cannot stand are individuals who brashly jump at the chance to shout their oversimplified stances, which are literally as profound as the three word phrases painted across the plaquards they hold up. I don't think either side knows just how precarious this situation with Iraq is. I KNOW they have no idea just how precarious it must be to be in George W. Bush's shoes. Yet, they find it so easy to call him a "war-monger" or this or that, or to cry out that their constitutional rights are being violated. The bottom line is, whatever course the U.S. should take, there are going to be a hell of a lot of repercussions, and i'm pretty damn sure that Bush and his cabinet are more than aware of that.
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Did anyone else see the training tapes of Al-Qaeda training three man sniper teams? I am just again wondering back to the initial news report that started me on this thread. The report was on a Friday that American schools may be subject to attack, and the next Monday the sniper hit a school. Now with the video of the sniper teams training, I am again wondering why they almost seam to be ruling out AL-Qaeda in this sniper situation. Or are they? Now that they have brought in the military to assist the police, the man/men, have apparently gone into hiding.
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..but do you think bombing any country and killing a few thousand innocent peole would help to stop further terror acts? I think they would increase - because imho the reason for terror is hate. Of course we have to get countries who are still having al-quada training camps on their teretory to stop their support - and war should allways be the last - not the first option. If countries don't judge terrorists themself than the ICC is the perfect institution to judge them. Why dosn't the US government support the ICC anymore who was just invented for cases like that? A non US Court would be more respected in the arabic world than a US Military tribunal. Interesting site note - the war against terror focuses (for whatever reason) on other countries at the moment.. Klaus |
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