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Old 03-03-2008, 07:40 PM   #41
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The same could be said for those who hold the NYT article against McCain.


so, Dread, tell me: what did you think about the Washington Post article about McCain?
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There was a bruhaha about this in the House of Commons today that was quite funny. I think the video is floating around.
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i'm feeling a bit picked on here, and i haven't had a chance to really read this Obama stuff -- i've been in a vortex for the past 8 days -- but i will stay, again, what i said, before, about the McCain thing.

it's an interesting story insofar as it examines the relationships between lobbyists and politicians, and specifically how the perception of access is a lobbyist's best weapon. the affair was pretty much the least interesting part of the McCain story. it was a mistake for the NYT to include that in the article -- and, everyone, please, read the WaPo article, since it says the same thing, has the same information, only without the affair details, but i don't see anyone even talking about that, it just seems to be an excuse to bash the NYT -- not because it was inaccurate, no, as the editor said, the inclusion of the affair was a more accurate representation of the concerns of McCain's aides. no, it was a mistake because it gave such an easy way for the right to circle the wagons and an easy way for a sloppy reading of the various articles in various news publications to dismiss the story.

i'll get to this. give me a bit.

but, really, at first blush, it seems that this story might function in the way that the lobbyist story resonated. it conflicts with what is one of the central narratives of the Obama campaign -- that he's untainted by the system, especially in comparison to the hoary battle axes like McCain and Hillary. just like the McCain article provided evidence that McCain is every bit as likely to curry the favor of lobbyists, or, more critically, that McCain's favor -- something he says he gives none of -- and the perception of having favor by McCain is as much currency in the DC lobbyist world as is the perception of access and favor of any other politician.

but, hey, that's a whole lot of nuance.
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i'm feeling a bit picked on here, and i haven't had a chance to really read this Obama stuff -- i've been in a vortex for the past 8 days -- but i will stay, again, what i said, before, about the McCain thing.

it's an interesting story insofar as it examines the relationships between lobbyists and politicians, and specifically how the perception of access is a lobbyist's best weapon. the affair was pretty much the least interesting part of the McCain story. it was a mistake for the NYT to include that in the article -- and, everyone, please, read the WaPo article, since it says the same thing, has the same information, only without the affair details, but i don't see anyone even talking about that, it just seems to be an excuse to bash the NYT -- not because it was inaccurate, no, as the editor said, the inclusion of the affair was a more accurate representation of the concerns of McCain's aides. no, it was a mistake because it gave such an easy way for the right to circle the wagons and an easy way for a sloppy reading of the various articles in various news publications to dismiss the story.

i'll get to this. give me a bit.

but, really, at first blush, it seems that this story might function in the way that the lobbyist story resonated. it conflicts with what is one of the central narratives of the Obama campaign -- that he's untainted by the system, especially in comparison to the hoary battle axes like McCain and Hillary. just like the McCain article provided evidence that McCain is every bit as likely to curry the favor of lobbyists, or, more critically, that McCain's favor -- something he says he gives none of -- and the perception of having favor by McCain is as much currency in the DC lobbyist world as is the perception of access and favor of any other politician.

but, hey, that's a whole lot of nuance.
I seriously want to hang out with you one day and just discuss politics and current events for hours.
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I seriously want to hang out with you one day and just discuss politics and current events for hours.
And brunch.
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And brunch.
Will you come too?
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What was Obama thinking???

Was he fibbing in Ohio to get votes??



i eagerly await the Clinton tax returns.

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so what did Memphis and yer man discuss? Radiohead?
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that is one topic?


not two
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Get it out there. Quick! The appearance of wrongdoing. That's all it takes sometimes. McCain fathered a black baby and was seen with a lobbyist. Clinton made millions in cattle futures, then killed Vince Foster. Obama associates with crooks. And he's a Muslim. A flibbertigibbet. A will of a wisp. A clown!

It would all just be merely annoying if so many people didn't automatically assume the mountain is the truth rather than the molehill.

I'm really starting to believe that we deserve the presidents we get.
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so what did Memphis and yer man discuss? Radiohead?
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not two


if you come to DC, we'll invite you to brunch as well.
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if you come to DC, we'll invite you to brunch as well.
So, Irvine, Martha, deep, myself, anyone else want to come to Hypothetical D.C Brunch '08'?
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So, Irvine, Martha, deep, myself, anyone else want to come to Hypothetical D.C Brunch '08'?

let it be said,

you are all invited to break eggs Nova Scotia with me and Memphis.

and when we have our own place in a year. or two. perhaps three. we will have brunches there.
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bloody marys with me.
In that case, can we do this in Canada and make mine a Cosmo? Or can we hold off until after August of 2009?
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if you come to DC, we'll invite you to brunch as well.
heyyyy, so I only rated a couple of beers and not the coveted brunch invite? hmph.



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In that case, can we do this in Canada and make mine a Cosmo? Or can we hold off until after August of 2009?


there's the virgin bloody mary. you get all the antioxidants, yet none of the vodka.

though i could always order a shot of Stoli. and when no one's looking, it could somehow deflower said drink.
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heyyyy, so I only rated a couple of beers and not the coveted brunch invite? hmph.





i owe you an email. i apologize. you can ask Paulette --- i've been mad busy.

but Memphis and i are near professional brunchers. we can do it anytime, anywhere.

ahem.
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