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Old 08-07-2003, 12:26 AM   #1
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Report: Marines dropped devices similar to Napalm on Iraqi troops
Associated Press

SAN DIEGO - Marine Corps fighter pilots and commanders say they dropped firebombs similar to napalm on Iraqi troops earlier this year, according to a report published Tuesday.

The Marines say that in March, U.S. warplanes dropped dozens of incendiary bombs near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris River in central Iraq to clear the way for troops headed to Baghdad.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercuryne...al/6465972.htm

Is this true,...
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Rono,

I posted about that in

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so they blatantly lie and you dont care
i think it is true

scarletwine posted about it also.

wonder what sting2 would say about it
if he were still permitted to post here
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Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military forces.
It is not illegal and in some cases there may be a valid reason to use such a weapon.

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when is it valid to use such inhumane weapons? I thought we supposedly learned our lesson in Vietnam? As long as the victims are Iraqis tho and not Vietnamese children and villagers, I guess it's all good. After all, their lives are cheaper. And if they suffer on the way out, so much the better.
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wonder what sting2 would say about it
if he were still permitted to post here

please drop this now deep. a passive/aggressive approach to getting him back into fym won't help him. this is between STING2 and the moderating team and is being worked on.


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Old 08-07-2003, 01:42 AM   #6
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when is it valid to use such inhumane weapons? I thought we supposedly learned our lesson in Vietnam? As long as the victims are Iraqis tho and not Vietnamese children and villagers, I guess it's all good. After all, their lives are cheaper. And if they suffer on the way out, so much the better.
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These weapons are designed and are effective at clearing mines and booby traps. That is what they were being used for on the bridges. The article clearly says that. Were there soldiers there, apparently so.

For you to interject "racism" into this is pretty pathetic. I am not certain but it almost feels like that was directed at me, since I am the only one defending the use of these weapons in this thread.

The pilot's themselves in the article expressed sadness that there were Iraqi soldiers there when the went on their bombing run.

It is a war. If clearing mined and booby trapped bridges this way saves one American life, yes, I am for it. Not a racial issue, but a battle issue.

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Defend them if you want. I can't see how it's possible. I'm sorry. But there are some lines that shouldn't be crossed. Dropping napalm is one of them in my book. And if we're just supposed to shrug and say "oh well, war is hell" then I'm sorry but I'm not really able to do that either. Specially since it looks more and more like an illegitimate war that is still claiming innocent lives.
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Defend them if you want. I can't see how it's possible. I'm sorry. But there are some lines that shouldn't be crossed. Dropping napalm is one of them in my book.
Again, the napalm was dropped to clear away mines and booby traps at a bridge. A very likely place for them. I suppose I defend it because if I were still in the service and ordered to cross a bridge I would expect them to do what they could to protect our lives and use strategies to protect our lives.



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And if we're just supposed to shrug and say "oh well, war is hell" then I'm sorry but I'm not really able to do that either. Specially since it looks more and more like an illegitimate war that is still claiming innocent lives.
Those are your words, not mine. Again this is, like the racial implications of your other remark, a mis-characterization of my position.
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"the napalm
Correction...the Mark 77.
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For you to interject "racism" into this is pretty pathetic. I am not certain but it almost feels like that was directed at me, since I am the only one defending the use of these weapons in this thread.

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please don't on what people are writing in their posts, and calling it "pathetic" is unacceptable and you know it. sula's post was not directed at you. just because you're on different sides of the table, doesn't mean you can't discuss respectfully.

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Sorry Lilly,

If I misinterpreted it. Clearly it must have been directed at someone else in the thread.

I will drop it,

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And if we're just supposed to shrug and say "oh well, war is hell" then I'm sorry but I'm not really able to do that either. Specially since it looks more and more like an illegitimate war that is still claiming innocent lives.
Those are your words, not mine. Again this is, like the racial implications of your other remark, a mis-characterization of my position.

she's not implying that you are a racist or otherwise marking your character. what you quoted off her had nothing to do with you, but rather with the subject of this thread.

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Clearly it must have been directed at someone else in the thread.
it wasn't directed at anyone dread, it was directed at the subject. she didn't quote you or say your name, there's nothing to lead to that conclusion. i know it's a hard subject. let's try and keep personal things out of it. please
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i realize that we need to secure as much as we can putting our troops in as little danger as possible. but napalm is a touchy subject....so let's respect eachother and keep the remaining posts of this thread on topic please.

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Just as an fyi, everything that is posted doesn't always necessarily have to be "directed at" someone in the thread. It is possible to be upset and just generally angry and heartsick at a situation.
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I am officially Done. Peace

EDITED: MEaning...too tired to continue.
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same here. perhaps posting during stress-induced insomnia was not the best of times.
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Using poison gas can also very effective,...
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At clearing mines and booby traps? Really....

Again, the article you posted pretty much demonstrates my point, that the pilot's were not targeting bridges and the soldiers got caught in it.

After doing a look up on the MARK 77 it is designed for use against mines and booby traps.

International law says it is NOT illegal.

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International law says it is NOT illegal.

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youre right. its not.

that doesnt mean its not reprehensible. i know, it was for the safety of the troops. its just tough to believe that was the best option.
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At clearing mines and booby traps? Really....

Again, the article you posted pretty much demonstrates my point, that the pilot's were not targeting bridges and the soldiers got caught in it.

After doing a look up on the MARK 77 it is designed for use against mines and booby traps.

International law says it is NOT illegal.

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It just unlucky for the Iraq soldiers when they hit by this awfull weapon, just a minor unconcivience,....it are only stupid Iraqies and our moral standards are so high that we do not have to care,...
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it was your eye-catching title got me in rono

all I can do is tell stories about people I know and love ( I do love people I don't know...but I don't know their stories)
A baby boy was born on the day I was married, that makes him 22. He became a good friend of mine. He thrived at school, did us proud.He was school captain and captain of the footy team and had a professional football career ahead of him until he tore his knee. So he joined the Australian Airforce and was promptly sent to Iraq. He is currently guarding the rebuilding works going on at the Baghdad airport. I saw his younger brother the other day and asked after him, I said it must be pretty scary with all the sniping going on there now. His brother said he is more scared of the Americans, they are trigger happy. Just my story from a young man who is there right now.
He also told me his brother is hungry, they aren't getting enough to eat. It's been getting to him, watching others get food packages from home. I've been wondering what I can send to him, poor kid....to all the poor kids.
My story...the end.


How can anyone forget those images of napalm as used in Vietnam?
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