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Old 01-12-2008, 01:19 AM   #81
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Well you keep harping on this subject, repeating it over and over. What other reason would you have?
I clarified and elaborated a bit after your rude "wtf" post.
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Old 01-12-2008, 01:39 AM   #82
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If, as appears may be the case, the GOP is finally settling on a candidate to rally around, then it's only a question of time until attempts to divide the Dems and manipulate the Dem race begin in earnest. And trying to stir the respective factions' doubts about each other to mutual irrational fever pitch is likely to be key to that. That's not a conspiracy theory, just how politics works...be ready for it. Obama is not a bantamweight naïf and Hillary is not the spawn of Satan.
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Old 01-12-2008, 07:26 AM   #83
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Obama is not a bantamweight naïf and Hillary is not the spawn of Satan.
Leave it to Yolland to get it right. . .

I think the Hillary hatred is unwarranted. I think she would make a very good president and I would probably vote for her if she got the nomination. I still prefer Obama but my preference certainly doesn't make me hate Hillary.
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I concur

all along
I have said I think Obama is a fine fellow
I do expect to vote for him if he is the Dem nominee

I just think Hillary is a better choice for the country
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If, as appears may be the case, the GOP is finally settling on a candidate to rally around
To me, this is almost the more interesting part of the race. I would love to see how the evangelicals react to Huckabee essentially being taken out of the race by the Republican establishment. Maybe they will finally wake up to the fact that they've been used for years and the only thing they really have to show for it are a couple of court appointments. They've not gotten almost anything they wanted.
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Leave it to Yolland to get it right. . .

I think the Hillary hatred is unwarranted. I think she would make a very good president and I would probably vote for her if she got the nomination. I still prefer Obama but my preference certainly doesn't make me hate Hillary.
As Bill Maher said last night, "If you hate Hillary it is soooo about YOU."
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I clarified and elaborated a bit after your rude "wtf" post.
But you have posted your little tidbit in this thread a number of times. I think we all got the point, whatever point you were trying to make.
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But you have posted your little tidbit in this thread a number of times. I think we all got the point, whatever point you were trying to make.
Actually the subsequent posts were responses - i.e. discussion- the point of FYM. But I'll make sure I get your permission before posting again.
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The following link has Barack Obama's 7 page US foreign Policy essay entitled "Renewing American Leadership" from the July/August 2007 issue of "Foreign Affairs".

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200707...eadership.html
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Hillary is perceived as a competent, effective Senator, the fact that she is married to a popular, well-respected exPresident has not sidetracked or interfered with her work in the Senate
i can not name one thing hillary has done to improve my life as a new yorker.

she is perceived as a competent, effective national politician who only gives a shit about local issues when there's a lot of media attention to be gained.


all around, i just find obama to be more bill clinton like than hillary. not that i'm sold on obama at all... but he seems to be more fo the dynamic personality that this nation needs right now, as opposed to another polarizing figure such as hillary.
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but he seems to be more fo the dynamic personality that this nation needs right now, as opposed to another polarizing figure such as hillary.

That's what I've been trying to say
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^^^ ya, what you said!

OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
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I just don't feel like she could win.

When she turns off democrats as hardcore as myself, and fires up the Republicans, I get worried.

If you take the time to read this poll from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...ups/index.html

you will see that this "Hillary can't win" is a misconception

her polling numbers are actually better than Obamas
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Clinton leads the front-running candidates of both parties -- Obama, McCain, Giuliani, Huckabee and Romney -- in the percentage of voters who say they would definitely vote for her if she won her party's nomination, with 37 percent.

Obama is second to Clinton in potential voters who say they would definitely vote for him in the general election, with 30 percent. McCain, who is third in that category with 22 percent, is first among voters who say they'd consider voting for him if he were the Republican nominee, with 35 percent.
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He's a great speaker.
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If you take the time to read this poll from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...ups/index.html

you will see that this "Hillary can't win" is a misconception

her polling numbers are actually better than Obamas
you are making the tragic mistake of believing polling numbers over your gut.
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^Right.

I think we've seen how unreliable polls can be.
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I don't trust the polls but I also find the absolute hysteria of "she can't get elected" to be extremely strange. Because you operate on an electoral college, there are very, very few truly unelectable candidates, especially in this age of political division.

Hillary can absolutely get elected. She may not be my first choice or yours, or much of the country's. But this notion that she's unelectable is nonsense that has been repeated enough times that otherwise thinking people have begun to buy into it.
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Do I think she's completely unelectable? No.

Do I fear that more people will vote against her than for her? Yes.
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