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Old 02-20-2008, 09:33 PM   #321
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:15 PM   #322
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Obama has a believability problem
In your eyes.

I think you are not necessarily following the plot here with respect to the pulse of the nation.

I would be willing to bet big bucks that most people don't give half a shit about this "plagiarism" issue and it has not affected Obama's believability in any concrete way that will cost him.
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Old 02-21-2008, 12:07 AM   #323
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I've supported Hillary throughout, this so called plagiarism (sp?) is just garbage.

She's getting beat and her supporters are grasping.

The bigger question is a queston that (of all people) Chris Matthews asked last night on MSNBC. He went after an Obama supporter on Barack's accomplishments in the Senate. He couldn't think of any and he admitted so.

He's most likely the nominee, maybe the McCain camp could use that. I hope not but it's legitimate.
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:20 AM   #324
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I find it ironic that the hard-eyed skeptics, the ones that won't be swayed by a bunch of high-flown rhetoric are shocked. . .SHOCKED. . .and appalled that Obama is not speaking his own words in these speeches.

The non-wild-eyed Obama supporters (and there are a lot of us. . .it's just the Obamamaniacs get more press) understand that Obama is still a politician after all, a politician with speechwriters who may on occasion "borrow" material from fellow politicians who support their candidate. Surely you don't think Obama just shoots these speeches straight out of his golden gut anymore than JFK did (he had speechwriters too).

But we live in age where mountains get made of molehills--how much people spent on haircut, how much somebody's spouse is proud of America, and now this. . .

Now if turns out that Obama plagiarized elements of his books--well, that's a different story.
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:26 AM   #325
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And, since you are wrong once again, if Rush had said that exact same thing, I wouldn't have liked it either.
I've always said it about Rush and now Rush says it about himself:

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A: I don't think they understand why I do it. I treat it as a business. My definitions for success have nothing to do with who wins elections but rather, Is the program growing audience-wise, are we attracting new sponsors? In terms of the content, I just come here and try to have fun every day. I don't say outrageous things I don't believe just to get people in a tizzy. I have the benefit of not having anybody telling me what I can't say.
From TIME magazine, February 25, 2008
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:43 AM   #326
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he was connecting with the listeners, he was intentionally conveying the feeling that he was speaking from his heart, in his own words, that is how he sold them and that is how the audience recieved them.

Ah, come on. When Kennedy said things like "Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." or "Ich bin ein Berliner" or Reagan said "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.", they were also connecting with the listeners, selling it as if it were their own words when in fact they all had speechwriters. They also spoke from their heart, like definitely Obama did, but still borrowed the words from other. So what? No one cares, as long as you convey the message in a honest way.

While some may be Obamamaniacs, you seem very occupied opposing Obama's success with your continuous repetition of the "Fired up and ready"-line, though especially the posters here have made clear that they care much more about his actual politics than just some soundbytes.
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I know one thing: This Obama guy wants and likes the word CHANGE!
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[q]New head-to-head polls show that Barack Obama would beat John McCain in key general election swing states but Hillary Clinton would not. SurveyUSA released hypothetical matchup results from Wisconsin, Iowa, and Virginia, all states that figure to be key battlegrounds in November: McCain beat Clinton by seven, 11, and three points, respectively; Obama beat McCain by 10, 10, and six points, respectively. Obama won all three states in the Democratic primary, although John Edwards was still a factor in Iowa.

http://www.slate.com/id/2175496

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