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Old 01-21-2008, 08:47 AM   #181
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Old 01-21-2008, 08:49 AM   #182
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Aww thanks


I'm just a zealous Obama supporter, that's all
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How fucked up is our country that the Dems are falling over each other to praise Reagan.
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How fucked up is our country that the Dems are falling over each other to praise Reagan.


he's remembered well, the Republicans have done a very, very good job memorializing him because they need a hero. remember the freak out when CBS was going to show that "Reagans" miniseries?

everyone forgets the homelessness, crime, crack, and refusal to say the words "AIDS" in the 80s, and instead they focus on the end of the Soviet Union.
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everyone forgets the homelessness, crime, crack, and refusal to say the words "AIDS" in the 80s, and instead they focus on the end of the Soviet Union.
Reducing funding and releasing the mentally ill to wander the streets, kissing the ass of the apartheid government in South Africa...

WTF?
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Old 01-21-2008, 10:41 AM   #186
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Don't get me wrong, Reagan did horrible things to the middle and working classes and especially the poor.

He DID create changes, he DID turn "liberal" into a bad word and created a culture of conservatism that as we see, the Democrats are still battling.

I wouldn't say the dems are falling over with "praise", they're just noting what he DID.
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But why are they even talking about him?
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But why are they even talking about him?


Reagan Democrats and Independents.

they want 'em.
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Reagan Democrats
This never made sense to me either.
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This never made sense to me either.


you're either with us, or you're with the commies.
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Ahhhh. Now I see.
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Yeah obviously I'd rather them be praising FDR as a transforming leader, but thinking toward the general it's an interesting strategy.

Unfortunately the last 20 years have really glossed over the damaging things Reagan did, and only us non "Reagan Democrats" think about that, and that's not enough to win the electoral college.
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On Clinton's website, she lists Reagan as one of her favorite Presidents.


So I went to the Hillary site

and I can't find it

perhaps you can help us out?


and a mention of Reagan somewhere buried in the many pages
(that I looked for and did not find)

is not the same thing as going on national T V and saying this:

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SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL): I think it's fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10, 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom.
Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.
He tapped into what people were already feeling, which is we want clarity, we want optimism, we want, you know, a return to that sense of dynamism and, you know, entrepreneurship that had been missing.


(you are a true-blue, Obama-girl -
but spinning this into a they all do it
does not seem to be correct)
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Bad Oppo Alert! Hillary Did Not List Ronald Reagan As Favorite President

In an effort to divert attention from Senator Obama’s comments about President Reagan and his assertion that the GOP has been the "party of ideas," the Obama campaign circulated an item this evening from the Salmon Press in New Hampshire that asserts that Senator Clinton listed the former President as one of her favorite presidents. In fact, Senator Clinton only complimented President Reagan’s communications skills – an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes – and did not list him as one of her favorite presidents. She also noted that she respected George H.W. Bush.

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She [Sen. Clinton] listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.
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I suppose that U2 Democrat was referring to this from Clinton's website:

"But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list." (the site did not provide the clarification that Mr. Cutler did above).

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/r.../view/?id=4674

(PS. I'm supporting Hillary)
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that is better than nothing


I have done some searches
and some archive searches

and still I am not finding it anywhere
than in blogs -
that say it is from her website.

blogs against her - are not that creditable to me


perhaps it is or was on her website?

do you have a link to her website

with that quote?
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Just edited it to link.
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Thanks for posting the link

it is an article

where the writer of the article says,

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She is sincere and passionate about restoring fiscal responsibility, providing health care to all Americans, protecting the environment, keeping the tax burden off the middle class and earning the faith and trust of the American people.

But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.

After all it was during his administration - eight years of peace and prosperity - that Hillary was able to observe, learn and contribute, all at the same time. And though she possesses traits similar to the former president, a great communicator chief among them - the voters of New York State have overwhelmingly validated her abilities - twice.

Sen. Clinton told us she doesn’t want our vote just because she’s a "woman." She wants our vote because she’s the "best." On the Democratic side we agree that she is.

and then we have this from the owner of the newspaper that published the article

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David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She [Sen. Clinton] listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.
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Agreed. That's why I noted the site didn't clarify it. Cutler's clarification makes sense. However, it's always good to know what's on your website before somebody else points it out.
Otherwise it gives the appearance of backtracking, whether it is or isn't.

But like you noted, it's a mention in a long list of names, not a ringing endorsement.
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After all it was during his administration - eight years of peace and prosperity - that Hillary was able to observe, learn and contribute, all at the same time.
If they want to take credit for prosperity, they should also take some blame for the credit crunch the economy is in now.
In 1999, Clinton repealed portions of the Glass-Steagall Act, which was enacted after the Great Depression. The number of subprime loans increased dramatically after that, and we are seeing the fallout now - record foreclosures and banks on shaky gound. And now many economists think we are headed for another depression.
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