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Old 10-13-2004, 12:03 PM   #1
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What is your opinion on abortion?

I know this is a pretty big issue, but I want to know your opinions on it. Do you think it's right or wrong?
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:06 PM   #2
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Well, I guess it's been about 6 months since we last hashed this out...

Let me remind everyone to try to be civil, no personal attacks

I believe abortion is wrong, period.
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:10 PM   #3
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:21 PM   #4
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I believe it's killing, and no one should have the 'choice' to kill. (risks temptation to rant)
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:22 PM   #5
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im against abortion
except when

rape
or
incest are involved.
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:26 PM   #6
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i think it is an incredibly complicated topic.

on the one hand, considering issues of mother's health, rape, incest, and other such unfortunate incidences...abortion should be an acceptable medical alternative to a 9 month pregnancy and birth. however, i think there should definitely be some sort of time window for the abortion. first trimester or something like that? i don't know enough about the biological aspects to give a solid suggestion there.

on the other hand, i absolutely do not think abortion should be used as a catch-all for people who are too irresponsible to use proper contraceptives during sexual activity. if you are responsible enough to be having sex you are responsible enough to accept the possible results. i think condoms should no longer be taboo and that "day after" pills should be readily available in drug stores in the incident of contraceptive failure.
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:31 PM   #7
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Its murder plain and simple.
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:40 PM   #8
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if you are responsible enough to be having sex you are responsible enough to accept the possible results.
I agree, but I also think that an abortion IS a "possible result". I can understand the reasoning behind anti-abortion stances, but I don't understand why people seem to think of a pregnancy as punishment for having irresponsible sex.

Either a fetus's life is too important to abort or not. Whether the mother is "irresponsible" or not really shouldn't be a factor in the equation.
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I feel that abortion is wrong in using it has a form of birth control. I am only for it on life of the mother, rape or incest.
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I think it's wrong, period. Abortion should only be legal in cases of rape, incest, or when the baby's life is already in danger and a Dr. should sign off on the final decision. That doesn't mean I think it's justified in these situations (religiously speaking). Partial birth/late term abortions are just evil, period.

Everyone deserves the same basic rights and the right of a woman to chose does not exceed the right of an innocent child to live.
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I'm opposed to it in principle. It's wrong. That being said I do not favor laws to make it illegal. That would only drive it underground. I used to be avidly "pro-choice" and I've still got a little of that in me. Perhaps I'm not consistent.
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Old 10-13-2004, 01:06 PM   #12
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I'm completely for it. It's up to the woman (and man) involved to make that decision for themselves. Almost everyone I know has had to make that decision at one point in their lives or another. I also don't understand why people think it's okay to kill doctors for performing abortion.
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Kudos to MissMoo for being willing to swim upstream in this thread.

Please keep your sense of independence - it will make you a happier person.

Judge not, yet ye be judged. (That's from the Bible too).
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Old 10-13-2004, 01:16 PM   #14
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I don't believe in abortion based on my religious beliefs but I don't believe my beliefs should be forced on others by the government. So I'm pro-life but pro-choice politically and I don't think that's a contradiction.
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First of all I think that people's opinions get very heated when we are talking about music and U2 and then we ask this question. I don't think it is about right and wrong. I think it is about of what you can and can't do to your own body. I don't think it is anyone's right to be able to say you can or can't do this to yourself. No one can stop the corner drug user from infusing his/her body with posions any more than someone should have the right to tell me I can or can't abort a child.

Remember it takes two to tango. Babies don't happen because of one person but only one person has to suffer the consequences.

I don't believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control that is the only aspect I agree with.

What happens when the unwanted child is abused or in a foster home because they were never wanted to begin with. What kind of life it that for a child to grow up knowing?

Yes with sex comes responsibilites but only one person deals with those responsibilities. The man walks away.

Again for all of you who are reading this appalled by what I say, understand for me it is the fact over someone telling me what I can or can't do with my own body.
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I don't care what you do with YOUR body, piercings, tatoos, shave your head, cut yourself with glass, streak at a football game it's your business. I don't even oppose assisted suicide if that's what an adult decides for his or herself. But abortion involves someone else's body too, not just the mother's.

I'm going to try not to rant, but the thing that bothers me most is it being justified as a 'choice' and a 'right.' I don't see there should be any more right to kill an unborn child because it's an inconvenience to you than I believe a person should be able to eliminate an ex spouse, rotten boss or nosey neighbor for making their life a living hell. The term 'right to choose' does not fly with me.

The only time it should be legal is rape and incest, and surely the female knows when that occured and should take a morning after pill (and file a police report on the assailant, morning after pill for forgotten birth control and passionate night before too), if the mother's health is in danger, or if the baby is found to have such severe deformities it will die anyway after suffering. In any case, I agree that partial birth abortion is completely evil, murder most henious (cut the spinal cord, suck out the brain, crush the skull) and should never be done, and yes doctors should be considered murderers for doing this. Sorry, I know a lot of you will hate me for saying this, but I feel very strongly that life is precious and not disposible for reasons of someone's inconvenience. I also don't subcribe to the 'better off dead' theory, might as well kill it now it might have a crap life. You never know. To live is to hope. I don't even believe that for dogs and cats at the pound, and I don't believe it for human babies.

On the subject of back alley/driving underground, remember that most of that happened in the time when there were no birth control pills or most of the contraceptives we have today.

I also want to say that it's not a question of religion for me, it's just common sense right and wrong.
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Once again we are back to the difference of opinion.

I will not go into a war on this back and forth because my opinion won't be swayed anymore than anyone else's. Many women died for us to have the right to choose.
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In any case, I agree that partial birth abortion is completely evil, murder most henious (cut the spinal cord, suck out the brain, crush the skull) and should never be done, and yes doctors should be considered murderers for doing this.
I've always wondered if there isn't a lot of misinformation - or rather, misconceptions - floating around on this issue. How often is this procedure actually performed? I've seen indications that this is almost always a procedure reserved for when the life of the mother is in danger, but I haven't come across any kind of study or statistics to know if this is really the case.

It's always seemed to me to be a case of the right wing intentionally inflaming passions on the issue, while ignoring the actual facts on the ground, as it were. But I don't know for sure. Is this procedure something that's used simply as a convenience for the mother? I don't know, but I'd like to, and in the absence of further information I'm rather skeptical.
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Old 10-13-2004, 01:42 PM   #19
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To me its not a religious issue at all. It is a determining factor on whether we want to be a utilitarian society or not. Does the end justify the means? If so, that's a slippery slope. Does than mean euthanasia is OK? Suicide? How bad does a person have to be to deserve death if an innocent can be killed indescriminantly? On the flip side, I understand the argument of driving it underground and all the special scenarios that go along with it. You can either disagree with it in concept or practice, or both. A disagreement in concept is something I just don't get, especially with adoption waiting periods, etc.
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u2kitten, you mean the birth control pills and contraception that the administration wants to keep teenagers in the dark about? I would be very interested to find out how people in other countries feel about this issue. My understanding is that in Russia, abortion is a form of birth control. I also think that since abortion has been around as long as we people have, it might be better to allow people to use it at their discretion when they feel it is necessary. I can understand your feeling about it... I don't understand the need to force others to do what you (religiously?)
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