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Old 03-16-2008, 09:54 PM   #81
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Well I doubt he's locked up. I would think a fine would be in order, but not jail time.
I disagree.
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I disagree.
What would you jail him for?
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What strikes me most from reading the article posted in the initial post is how the woman reacted when she woke up. I realise she was probably a bit groggy and I'm not blaming her for what happened, but she acted as if she had something to be ashamed of, instead of being outraged and saying (very loudly) something on the lines of "Uh! What the fuck are you doing? Get away from me, you filthy creep!"

I guess to me some guy you don't know sitting right next to you, staring at you while jacking off on you is a very good reason to make one hell of a commotion and I wonder why she didn't feel she could do that. I can't see a guy curling up and crying if the same thing happened to him, so I wonder if we are still not doing a great job of teaching women to be assertive.
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What would you jail him for?
Sexual assault. He came in her hair while she was sleeping, fer chrissakes. If that doesn't warrant some jail time, what does?
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but she acted as if she had something to be ashamed of, instead of being outraged and saying (very loudly) something on the lines of "Uh! What the fuck are you doing? Get away from me, you filthy creep!"
Easy to say when it isn't you. We have no idea what kind of person she is, and what else may have happened to her in her life.
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Doesn't strike me as a mere fine either.
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Old 03-16-2008, 10:20 PM   #87
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Easy to say when it isn't you. We have no idea what kind of person she is, and what else may have happened to her in her life.
Well of course I never considered that possibility.
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Well, I'm just being realistic. Most sexual offenses that don't involve touching or serious contact don't get jail time.

And I'm not sure what issues this man has, but I'd venture to say he has some mental issues and jail time isn't the answer. This doesn't sound like an issue of power like rape, or someone who meant to cause harm, it sounds like someone who has serious mental issues regarding boundaries... But we really don't know.

I've had four instances in my life that would have fallen into the legal definition of sexual assault. None that I've filed charges on, but one that the state filed charges. All involving older drunken women. Women that feel they have the right to grab my crotch or try and place their hands in my pants, etc... Now I've had them removed from the bar, but never did I feel like they deserve jail time. The one instance that the state filed charges was a woman who felt like it was OK to reach her hand down my jeans while I was playing a show. She was immediately taken off stage and cops were called. She paid a fine.

I understand this woman was violated, I'm just not sure jail time is what this man needs. I think he needs some psychiatric help.

Whereas my assaultants needed rehab.
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Well, that all depends on the jurisdiction in question because different states treat mental disorder defences very differently. If he doesn't meet the legal definition, he'll end up in jail (where he'll be treated).

I spent about a year writing a publication on this, in many ways it is time of my life I'll never get back.
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All involving older drunken women. Women that feel they have the right to grab my crotch or try and place their hands in my pants, etc...
Sounds like you're "cougar" bait.
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Sounds like you're "cougar" bait.
Oh, believe me if there's a cougar in the room, she somehow spots me from a mile away...
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Well of course I never considered that possibility.
Yes. You made that very clear from your enlightened post.
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I've had four instances in my life that would have fallen into the legal definition of sexual assault. None that I've filed charges on, but one that the state filed charges. All involving older drunken women. Women that feel they have the right to grab my crotch or try and place their hands in my pants, etc... Now I've had them removed from the bar, but never did I feel like they deserve jail time. The one instance that the state filed charges was a woman who felt like it was OK to reach her hand down my jeans while I was playing a show. She was immediately taken off stage and cops were called. She paid a fine.
Jesus.
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Sexual assault. He came in her hair while she was sleeping, fer chrissakes. If that doesn't warrant some jail time, what does?
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I think it has to do with most men just not understanding what it is like to suffer harrassment, etc. So many of them just think that they can do whatever the hell they want with no repercussions.
I think this story is absolutely disgusting, and I think this guy should be prosecuted. At the same time, let's not make blanket assumptions here. Not all men (or even most men) are harassers, nor are most men boors with no social skills or common sense.
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That's why I think that it doesn't help to simply put him in jail. That's not normal, sane beaviour. What does jail help? He will be locked up for a while, get released and then do the same. Or even worse. That should be addressed properly, and jail doesn't address this properly, but psychiatry.
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That's why I think that it doesn't help to simply put him in jail. That's not normal, sane beaviour. What does jail help? He will be locked up for a while, get released and then do the same. Or even worse. That should be addressed properly, and jail doesn't address this properly, but psychiatry.
Surely the same excuse could be said about murders and rapists though, those are not actions of sane folk either.
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Excuse?

That's not an excuse. And every murder and rapist gets an assessment on his sanity and whether he is better be put in prison, because he was fully sane when he committed the deed, or rather be put in a psychiatry. Not every murder or rapist is insane.

My point wasn't that "Oh this poor bastard should not have to go to jail for this", it was that jail will not prevent him from doing it again. Of course, psychiatry will give no certainty that it will prevent anything. But the chances are greater, as this is not normal behaviour.
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Not every murder or rapist is insane.

You could say you would have to be insane to commit a murder or rape.

I apologise, excuse was a bad word to use.
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Of course every murder is somehow derailed.
But some know full well what they are doing, and for these there is no need not to be put in prison.
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