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Old 07-23-2003, 02:30 PM   #1
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What do you think happens when we die...?

apart from out heart stopping and no longer breathing...do you think we go to another place or is that it..or what would you like to think or believe...?
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This question

and the FEAR of it

has EMPOWERED those who claim they know this answer for millennia.

to such an extent that people ignore atrocities before their own eyes.

on the belief that after they die, if they do as the empowered ones say, they will have a better outcome than the sufferers they ignore.


Celia,

My answer to you is why does it matter?

Live your life making choices that are correct here and in the moment.

When you leave this moral existence your life will not have been misspent.
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There is an answer. You can read it for yourself. It doesn't EMPOWER me over any other soul.

Everyone has eternal life. Where you spend it depends on the ONE you know.
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I'll voice what is bound to be an unpopular perspective and say that I'm not sure that humans necessarily have immortal souls. From my reading it would seem to indicate that at least from a Biblical perspective, immortality is a property of the divine and although it can be given as a gift to mortals, it is not a default. The notion of the innate immortal soul seems to be more of a legacy of Greek philosophy than OT Jewish theology. That said, I believe that there has been provision made by God through his Son to extend eternal life to humanity. How exactly and who exactly will be in on that gift, I'm not precisely sure.
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Live your life making choices that are correct here and in the moment.
Oh I totally agree with you!

I don't have any strong beliefs about whether we go to another place or something but I know people that do and am interested in people's religion/beliefs...

I was thinking more along the lines of when you lose someone that you love, do you think they are sometimes still with you etc...but anyway I'm just thinking out loud...
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Oh I totally agree with you!



I was thinking more along the lines of when you lose someone that you love, do you think they are sometimes still with you etc...but anyway I'm just thinking out loud...

I hear you loud and clear.

I live with the beautiful sorrow of having loss more than one loved one.
The sadness is compounded when they have died young.

The memory of them, their love, and decency, the shared joy I had with them lives in my heart. I try and pass on their goodness that they shared with me. To me this is eternal life enough.
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I don't know, and I don't think that anyone really does. Its good to have something you believe in, but when you're on the death bed, with death breathing down your neck, its very different.

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I'd like to believe that we do go on in some form or another after death. But I don't have any definite beliefs on the subject. Maybe life is just a process, and when it stops, well then that's it.
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Whatever the next step is--even though I'm a Christian, I don't count out the possibility of reincarnation--I know that God will be there when I die to explain whatever the next step is.
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The flame that is the human soul is eternal.

It lives on, eventually becoming one with the God father.
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even though I'm a Christian, I don't count out the possibility of reincarnation
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Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment...
-Hebrews 9:27
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It all depends on the meaning of the word "die," doesn't it?

I'm not being coy. I'm serious.
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Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment...
-Hebrews 9:27
According to "Born Agains" they've already died once.
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For pax: Can you further explain your thoughts? I'm just wondering how you reconcile this with the traditional tenets of Christianity...
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It's not that I necessarily *believe* in reincarnation. It's just that I don't totally throw it out, either. It seems to me to be reconcilable with Christianity, particularly if one is coming down on the universalist side of the eternal life debate (which I don't, necessarily, but it's something to consider).*

If God is omnibenevolent, which is to say that God is all-loving, then why not consider the possibility that God might give souls another shot at the earthly life? People screw up for all sorts of reasons, and don't seek forgiveness as they ought or don't fully accept Christ. If we assume that through the sacrifice of Christ, God demonstrated that the goal was to save all humanity from the powers of sin and death, then God does not wish to lose a single soul to those powers.

Reincarnation can be viewed as another way in which God triumphs over death and shows love for creation. This is just a possible and rough argument, and not even one I necessarily buy, but it's a perspective on the issue nonetheless.

*For those of you without a theology/philosophy background: Universalism holds that ultimately no souls are damned to hell. Some universalists simply believe that hell does not exist. Others believe that upon or shortly after judgment day, hell is either emptied or annihilated. Universalists believe that an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God would not allow souls to be condemned to hell. Again, not *necessarily* my view, but one that some people do hold.
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According to "Born Agains" they've already died once.
You're exactly right. Who I was before, my sin nature, was crucified with Christ, and I was raised to newness of life In Christ. I will not die again. My flesh will perish, but that's just the vessel that contains my spirit...my "jar of clay". Who I really am-my spirit-will live eternally.
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Question for anyone who believes there is more to come when we die, do you think too, that this life is the start?
I've never heard outside the typical wingnut who believes they were Marie Antoinette, a claim that there was anything before this life.
I wonder sometimes if there is an element of fear or anxiousness in our knowledge we do not know before this life, so we are afraid there might be nothing ahead so we accept too readily or with the subconcious intent of easing the mind that there is indeed something to follow.
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If God is omnibenevolent, which is to say that God is all-loving, then why not consider the possibility that God might give souls another shot at the earthly life? People screw up for all sorts of reasons, and don't seek forgiveness as they ought or don't fully accept Christ. If we assume that through the sacrifice of Christ, God demonstrated that the goal was to save all humanity from the powers of sin and death, then God does not wish to lose a single soul to those powers.

Reincarnation can be viewed as another way in which God triumphs over death and shows love for creation.
That's an excellent point. Makes perfect sense to me.

I personally think reincarnation is possible-I believe in it.

It's either that, or our spirits come back to watch over those who we've left behind. I personally think one of those two things could happen after we die.

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Universalism holds that ultimately no souls are damned to hell. Some universalists simply believe that hell does not exist. Universalists believe that an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God would not allow souls to be condemned to hell. Again, not *necessarily* my view, but one that some people do hold.
That's my view.

In fact, I'm kinda liking the idea that this one girl mentioned once when I was talking to her, it links reincarnation and heaven-she said that her mom believed that if we are good people, we go to heaven right away when we die. If we aren't, we just get reincarnated until one of those lives is a good one that will lead us to heaven.

For me, I wouldn't exactly call that final place heaven...but I do think we go somewhere after we die. Just don't know if I'd call it heaven.

But that's another theory to throw in here.

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