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Infinity · 01-10-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by AchtungBono

Hmmmmmmmmm.............*thinking*.........Bush AND Cheney??

I'll get back to you on that.

Anyone else want to sweeten the deal?

We'll throw in Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld and Condy Rice. Sweet enough?

DrTeeth · 01-10-2008, 01:45 PM

Can I send some Dutch politicians too?

financeguy · 01-10-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by AchtungBono
LMAO!!!!

You guys crack me up!!!

I wonder if he'd agree to convert to Judaism and come live here permanently?

He could "Hebrew-ise" his name from George to Yossi and Bush to Sneh (the Hebrew word for "bush") and come live on a kibbutz and raise cattle.

Do you think Laura would agree?....

Do you think he would purchase a house in the normal way?

Or would he just take over someone else's land, as I believe is the usual wont of 'settlers'?

Though I see today he is calling for the stolen land to be returned which he is right to do, IMO.

deep · 01-10-2008, 02:31 PM

Why is it stolen?

Was not it given to the current land holders by G-d?

U2democrat · 01-10-2008, 02:36 PM

I think Bush would fit in on a kibbutz. He does love doin' the hard giddy up cowboy work on his ranch in Texas, though I'm not sure he could handle the communal living

Strongbow · 01-10-2008, 02:46 PM

Interesting how some people are more concerned about "stolen land" as opposed to the targeted slaughter of innocent women and children and the attempts to destroy an entire nation.

financeguy · 01-10-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Strongbow
Interesting how some people are more concerned about "stolen land" as opposed to the targeted slaughter of innocent women and children and the attempts to destroy an entire nation.

Interesting how some gloss over civilian casualties in conflicts when it suits them, but exploit them for propaganda purposes in other circumstances.

BVS · 01-10-2008, 02:59 PM

Strongbow · 01-10-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by financeguy

Interesting how some gloss over civilian casualties in conflicts when it suits them, but exploit them for propaganda purposes in other circumstances.

Funny how some never learn the difference between groups and countries that TARGET civilians and those that do everything reasonably possible given the situation to prevent civilian casualties.

Infinity · 01-10-2008, 04:22 PM

MrsSpringsteen · 01-11-2008, 08:22 AM

Bush: US should have bombed Auschwitz

By ARON HELLER, Associated Press WriterFri Jan 11, 6:07 AM ET

President Bush had tears in his eyes during an hour-long tour of Israel's Holocaust memorial Friday and told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the U.S. should have bombed Auschwitz to halt the killing, the memorial's chairman said.

Bush emerged from a tour of the Yad Vashem memorial calling it a "sobering reminder" that evil must be resisted, and praising victims for not losing their faith.

Wearing a yarmulke, Bush placed a red-white-and-blue wreath on a stone slab that covers ashes of Holocaust victims taken from six extermination camps. He also lit a torch memorializing the victims.

Bush was visibly moved as he toured the site, said Yad Vashem's chairman, Avner Shalev.

"Twice, I saw tears well up in his eyes," Shalev said.

At one point, Bush viewed aerial photos of the Auschwitz camp taken during the war by U.S. forces and called Rice over to discuss why the American government had decided against bombing the site, Shalev said.

The Allies had detailed reports about Auschwitz during the war from Polish partisans and escaped prisoners. But they chose not to bomb the camp, the rail lines leading to it, or any of the other Nazi death camps, preferring instead to focus all resources on the broader military effort, a decision that became the subject of intense controversy years later.

Between 1.1 million and 1.5 million people were killed at the camp.

"We should have bombed it," Bush said, according to Shalev.

In the memorial's visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God bless Israel, George Bush."

The memorial was closed to the public and under heavy guard Friday, with armed soldiers standing on top of some of the site's monuments and a police helicopter and surveillance blimp hovering in the air overhead.

"I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would not forsake their God. In the face of unspeakable crimes against humanity, brave souls — young and old — stood strong for what they believe," Bush said.

"I wish as many people as possible would come to this place. It is a sobering reminder that evil exists, and a call that when evil exists we must resist it," he said.

It was Bush's second visit to the Holocaust memorial, a regular stop on the visits of foreign dignitaries. His first was in 1998, as governor of Texas. The last U.S. president to visit was Bill Clinton in 1994.

Bush, making the most extensive Mideast trip of his presidency, was accompanied on his tour by a small party that included Rice and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

At the compound, overlooking a forest on Jerusalem's outskirts, Bush visited a memorial to the 1.5 million Jewish children killed in the Holocaust, featuring six candles reflected 1.5 million times in a hall of mirrors. At the site's Hall of Remembrance, he heard a cantor sing a Jewish prayer for the dead.

Shalev presented Bush with illustrations of the Bible drawn by the Jewish artist Carol Deutsch, who perished in the Holocaust.

Deutsch created the works while in hiding from the Nazis in Belgium. He was informed upon, and died in 1944 in the Buchenwald camp. After the war, his daughter Ingrid discovered that the Nazis had confiscated their furniture and valuables but had left behind a single item: a meticulously crafted wooden box adorned with a Star of David and a seven-branched menorah, containing a collection of 99 of the artist's illustrations of biblical scenes.

The originals are on display at Yad Vashem. The memorial recently decided to produce a special series of 500 replicas, the first of which was to be presented to Bush.

Debbie Deutsch-Berman, a Yad Vashem employee whose grandfather was Deutsch's brother, said she was proud that Bush would be given her relative's artwork.

"These are not just his paintings, they are his legacy, and the fact that they survived shows that as much as our enemies tried to destroy the ideas that these paintings embody, they failed," she said.

Later Friday, Bush was to wrap up his three-day visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories with a visit to Christian holy sites in Galilee before departing for Kuwait, the next stop on his Mideast tour.

Slipstream · 01-11-2008, 08:40 PM

That's rich coming from a guy who's grandfather profited from companies that financed Hitler's rise to power and partially contributed to their family fortune.

Thank god, 1 year and 9 days left until Shrub is gone from the White House.

U2democrat · 01-11-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Slipstream
That's rich coming from a guy who's grandfather profited from companies that financed Hitler's rise to power and partially contributed to their family fortune.

Thank god, 1 year and 9 days left until Shrub is gone from the White House.

I do not like George Bush, but I would never accuse him of being partial to Hitler.

Slipstream · 01-11-2008, 08:57 PM

Neither would I and probably neither was his grandfather but the fact still remains the same in regards to his family and their profits in the beginning which benefited from the Nazi war machine. Anyway, I suppose it's off topic a bit but that Bush just really pisses me off sometimes.

financeguy · 01-11-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by U2democrat
I do not like George Bush, but I would never accuse him of being partial to Hitler.

What Slipstream posted is well attested to by numerous sources and it's nonsense to miscontrue it as a claim that Bush is 'partial to Hitler'.

Infinity · 01-11-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by Slipstream
Anyway, I suppose it's off topic a bit but that Bush just really pisses me off sometimes.

How can he piss you off??? He liberated the Iraqis!!!!! They must love him over there. They must want us to send him there.

A stor · 01-12-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by indra
ooohh!! Do us a favour and keep him!

Yes, keep him!

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01-10-2008, 02:31 PM	#24
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 01:47 PM	Why is it stolen? Was not it given to the current land holders by G-d?

01-10-2008, 02:36 PM	#25
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 09:47 PM	I think Bush would fit in on a kibbutz. He does love doin' the hard giddy up cowboy work on his ranch in Texas, though I'm not sure he could handle the communal living

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Strongbow Refugee Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,943 Local Time: 09:47 PM	Interesting how some people are more concerned about "stolen land" as opposed to the targeted slaughter of innocent women and children and the attempts to destroy an entire nation.

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MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,781 Local Time: 05:47 PM	Bush: US should have bombed Auschwitz By ARON HELLER, Associated Press WriterFri Jan 11, 6:07 AM ET President Bush had tears in his eyes during an hour-long tour of Israel's Holocaust memorial Friday and told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the U.S. should have bombed Auschwitz to halt the killing, the memorial's chairman said. Bush emerged from a tour of the Yad Vashem memorial calling it a "sobering reminder" that evil must be resisted, and praising victims for not losing their faith. Wearing a yarmulke, Bush placed a red-white-and-blue wreath on a stone slab that covers ashes of Holocaust victims taken from six extermination camps. He also lit a torch memorializing the victims. Bush was visibly moved as he toured the site, said Yad Vashem's chairman, Avner Shalev. "Twice, I saw tears well up in his eyes," Shalev said. At one point, Bush viewed aerial photos of the Auschwitz camp taken during the war by U.S. forces and called Rice over to discuss why the American government had decided against bombing the site, Shalev said. The Allies had detailed reports about Auschwitz during the war from Polish partisans and escaped prisoners. But they chose not to bomb the camp, the rail lines leading to it, or any of the other Nazi death camps, preferring instead to focus all resources on the broader military effort, a decision that became the subject of intense controversy years later. Between 1.1 million and 1.5 million people were killed at the camp. "We should have bombed it," Bush said, according to Shalev. In the memorial's visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God bless Israel, George Bush." The memorial was closed to the public and under heavy guard Friday, with armed soldiers standing on top of some of the site's monuments and a police helicopter and surveillance blimp hovering in the air overhead. "I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would not forsake their God. In the face of unspeakable crimes against humanity, brave souls — young and old — stood strong for what they believe," Bush said. "I wish as many people as possible would come to this place. It is a sobering reminder that evil exists, and a call that when evil exists we must resist it," he said. It was Bush's second visit to the Holocaust memorial, a regular stop on the visits of foreign dignitaries. His first was in 1998, as governor of Texas. The last U.S. president to visit was Bill Clinton in 1994. Bush, making the most extensive Mideast trip of his presidency, was accompanied on his tour by a small party that included Rice and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. At the compound, overlooking a forest on Jerusalem's outskirts, Bush visited a memorial to the 1.5 million Jewish children killed in the Holocaust, featuring six candles reflected 1.5 million times in a hall of mirrors. At the site's Hall of Remembrance, he heard a cantor sing a Jewish prayer for the dead. Shalev presented Bush with illustrations of the Bible drawn by the Jewish artist Carol Deutsch, who perished in the Holocaust. Deutsch created the works while in hiding from the Nazis in Belgium. He was informed upon, and died in 1944 in the Buchenwald camp. After the war, his daughter Ingrid discovered that the Nazis had confiscated their furniture and valuables but had left behind a single item: a meticulously crafted wooden box adorned with a Star of David and a seven-branched menorah, containing a collection of 99 of the artist's illustrations of biblical scenes. The originals are on display at Yad Vashem. The memorial recently decided to produce a special series of 500 replicas, the first of which was to be presented to Bush. Debbie Deutsch-Berman, a Yad Vashem employee whose grandfather was Deutsch's brother, said she was proud that Bush would be given her relative's artwork. "These are not just his paintings, they are his legacy, and the fact that they survived shows that as much as our enemies tried to destroy the ideas that these paintings embody, they failed," she said. Later Friday, Bush was to wrap up his three-day visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories with a visit to Christian holy sites in Galilee before departing for Kuwait, the next stop on his Mideast tour.

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Slipstream Refugee Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,474 Local Time: 02:47 PM	That's rich coming from a guy who's grandfather profited from companies that financed Hitler's rise to power and partially contributed to their family fortune. Thank god, 1 year and 9 days left until Shrub is gone from the White House.

01-11-2008, 08:57 PM	#34
Slipstream Refugee Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,474 Local Time: 02:47 PM	Neither would I and probably neither was his grandfather but the fact still remains the same in regards to his family and their profits in the beginning which benefited from the Nazi war machine. Anyway, I suppose it's off topic a bit but that Bush just really pisses me off sometimes.