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Old 08-22-2002, 07:44 PM   #1
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We MUST Stop the Forest Fires!

Everyone! We must take action!

That is why, I, Whortense Wiffin, XI Comtess d'Enron, have decided to organize action!

All of these forest fires...what do they have in common?

(Yes...most of them had arsonists)

(Yes...it is the worst drought since the 1930s)

Give up? It is TREES. So we MUST make a preemptive strike against this clear and present danger so kindly called "trees" and strike them down in our "War on Trees." Yes...with no trees, there are NO forest fires! And the good news is that my friends in the logging industry can single handedly prop up our economy, where I can invest in wood, and, with a bit of insider trading, make a killing before my friends embezzle all the profits and bankrupt the companies. The American dream!

Now who is all with me in the "War on Trees?"
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A public service announcement:

"Don't take this thread seriously. Laughter at oneself is often the best medicine."
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An excellent suggestion. Rather like... killing the patient in order to cure him.

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Trees get in the way of the scenery.
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Reagan said trees poison the air.
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What Whortense appears to be mocking is the idea of some politicians to allow limited logging to prevent forest fires, that allowing the cutting down of some trees will better preserve other trees within our nation's great forests.

Problems with his criticism?

First, the abundance of scrub and deadwood that HAS made the current bout forest fires MUCH worse than it could have been.

Second, the idea is valid on a smaller scale: it's not "killing a patient to cure him," it's like pruning a tree. And, done correctly, pruning DOES help the tree grow and remain healthy.

Finally, I'm not sure why GOP Whortense would bring this up since this isn't strictly a Republican idea.

In a supplemental spending bill, a Senator from South Dakota simply declared the forests of the Black Hills open to logging to prevent the forest fires.

This Senator? Senate Majority Leader TOM DASCHLE.
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A public service announcement:

"Don't take this thread seriously. Laughter at oneself is often the best medicine."
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Oh for gods sakes.... laugh at it or dont post here.
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Is this a request of me alone?

Or do you also request this of Hi Bias, who reminds us (source, anyone?) that "Reagan said trees poison the air."

Just wondering.

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Sounds like he was joking.
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A joke? From the same person that suggested the U.S. has become "an Axis of Medieval"? The same person that called Bush a "55 year old simpleton"?

This person has also said, in a post that is interesting in its own right, "We have gratuitously destroyed so much of nature that the Taliban's smashing up of Buddhist statues, as comparative vandalism, will someday seem quite minuscule." But he was joking here?

If you insist, but I believe it's clear that it could go either way.

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Is this a request of me alone?

Or do you also request this of Hi Bias, who reminds us (source, anyone?) that "Reagan said trees poison the air."

Just wondering.

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Bubba,

Here are some quotes, Reagan DID say these things.

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Reagan '81

"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?"
Reagan '66, opposing expansion of Redwood National Park

"I have flown twice over Mt St Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about." Reagan '80. Actually, Mount St. Helens, at its peak activity, emitted about 2,000 tons of sulphur dioxide per day, compared with 81,000 tons per day by cars.

With a little effort you can find the sources.

btw, I voted for Reagan.
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I'm not posting in this forum anymore.. have fun kids

Ok whatever you say!
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Bubba,
I actually just took whoretense' post as a joke.

On the case of High Bias, I agree with you and would just add her to your IGNORE list as did I. That way you won't have to deal with the shit(e) since you can't see it!
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So Hi Bias' comment wasn't a joke. Wow, looks who's right.

I'm not sure what President Reagan meant by trees causing more pollution than do cars: barring context or evidence, I'd assume he misspoke.

The Redwood comment may irk environmentalists, but there's nothing inherently wrong about its suggestion that there must be a balance between preservation and commerce.


Now, to the comment about Mount St. Helens.

Here's the comment:

"I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving."

Here are the stats you give:

"Mount St. Helens, at its peak activity, emitted about 2,000 tons of sulphur dioxide per day, compared with 81,000 tons per day by cars."

Let's run the numbers, shall we?


Cars emit 81,000 tons of sulpher dioxide per day.

81,000 tons/day * 365 days/year * 10 years = 295,650,000 tons

300 million tons.


The 2,000 tons/day is the volcano's peak activity rate, so let's use a conservative estimate of 50 tons/day, averaged over its entire eruptive lifetime (2.5% of its peak rate).

Mount St. Helens's "eruptive history" spans 40,000 years.

50 tons/day * 365 days/year * 40,000 years = 730,000,000 tons

700 million tons, over twice as much.


It could very well be the case that Ronaldus Magnus is right.


(But if we want to treat this thread as a joke, be my guest.)
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Why are you always so serious?

Jezus, sorry you are not right, again.

It is a joke. This thread was started by Whortense for fun .

Because Reagan made these statements, does not mean they are not funny!

It is not necessary to try and validate them.

I lived through the 80s, I remember the news stories.

You donít need to defend the Gipper. Heís ok in my book.
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Quote:
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A public service announcement:

"Don't take this thread seriously. Laughter at oneself is often the best medicine."
I find this public service announcement rather disingenuous. The initial post seems to say this:

"I'm going to slag off on (the logging proposal, the war on terrorism, politicians who have ties with Enron), but because this is a joke, nobody is allowed to post a rebuttal."

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As do I, speedracer, particularly since the "GOP Whortense" moniker was used to start this thread.

Hi Bias, I'm not saying the statements aren't funny because of who said it. I'm saying the "Mount St. Helens" comment isn't funny because it may be well be accurate.

But if you guys want to insist these comments are jokes and, being jokes, are immune from criticism, go right ahead.

As I've said tonight, I'll be limiting myself to mostly religious threads anyway.
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