This issue was discussed on Paula Zahn last night
ZAHN: ... Roland Martin, executive editor of "The Chicago Defender" newspaper and host of "The Roland S. Martin Show" on radio, Kamal Nawash, the founder and president of the Free Muslims Coalition.
Republican political strategist Amy Holmes, who was a speechwriter for former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.
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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Virginia Delegate Donald McEachin thought his resolution would promote racial harmony, not provoke racial division -- the proposal, that, this year, the 400th anniversary of historic Jamestown, an early slave port, Virginia should apologize for its role in slavery.
DONALD MCEACHIN, VIRGINIA STATE ASSEMBLYMAN: I can't think of a better time for Virginia to apologize for and to atone for the sins of slavery than now, during this 400th anniversary.
KOCH: But one colleague in the Virginia General Assembly didn't like the idea, Delegate Frank Hargrove telling a local newspaper that, when it comes to slavery -- quote -- "Our black citizens should get over it." He added that no one alive today had anything to do with slavery, commenting, "Are we going to force Jews to apologize for killing Christ?
Dwight Jones heads the legislative black caucus.
DWIGHT JONES, PRESIDENT, VIRGINIA LEGISLATIVE BLACK CAUCUS: To suggest that we need to just get over slavery is an absolute affront, as though slavery was a birthday party that somebody had last Saturday night. It raped our mothers and fathers. It killed our sons and daughters.
KOCH: David Englin sits next to Hargrove on the assembly floor.
DAVID ENGLIN, VIRGINIA STATE ASSEMBLYMAN: I want my colleagues to understand, Mr. Speaker, what it means when people of -- of the respect and stature of a member of this body perpetuate the notion that Jews killed Christ.
KOCH: Hargrove won't apologize.
FRANK HARGROVE, VIRGINIA STATE ASSEMBLYMAN: I think your skin was a little too thin.
KOCH: He did defend his comments to CNN.
HARGROVE: I think slavery was horrible. There wasn't no -- no justification at all for slavery. But I didn't have any part in it.
KOCH: States and countries have long been reluctant to apologize for slavery. They fear it would open them up to reparations, lawsuits, like those already brought against major corporations alleged to have profited from the slave trade.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair, in December, expressed -- quote -- "deep sorrow" over his country's role in slavery. President Bill Clinton did the same in Africa in 1998.
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WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: European Americans received the fruits of the slave trade. And we were wrong in that.
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KOCH (on camera): But neither the U.S. Congress, nor any state has ever officially apologized for slavery.
(voice-over): Even if the Virginia measure passes, supporters worry it would only be a symbolic victory.
JONES: The bill could pass, and attitudes won't change. And, to me -- to me, it's more important that attitudes change.
KOCH: Kathleen Koch, CNN, Washington.
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ZAHN: Let's go back to tonight's "Out in the Open" panel, Roland Martin, Kamal Nawash, Amy Holmes.
So, Kamal, when a comment like that comes out, that blacks should get over slavery, what message is this man sending to all blacks?
NAWASH: I -- I think his views -- first of all, I don't think this guy is a racist. I don't think Delegate Hargrove is a racist.
I think what he's saying is what millions of Americans think. He's basically saying:, slavery was bad. Slavery was bad, and it's in the past. And we need to move forward. If you think what happened is bad...
ZAHN: Yes, he said let's not recycle it over and over again.
NAWASH: He said let's move forward. If you think there's inequality now, let's improve it. Let's talk about the future. I mean, why should someone like me have to apologize or you? Why would someone like you have to apologize?
In American culture and most cultures, it's all about individual responsibility. And why should the son of a criminal have to suffer for the crimes of his parent? It's not fair. If you think it's unfair, why don't you say, hey, why don't we have equality in the future. Why should we talk about the past?
HOLMES: No one is asking you personally to apologize. Virginia state is apologizing for its history of slavery and then from there moving forward. We know that if we don't remember our history we're doomed to repeat it. And this man's flip, thoughtless remarks, why can't blacks just get over it as if there has not been any consequences of slavery, lingering discrimination...
ZAHN: I don't think he's saying that there are no consequences of slavery. Is he?
NAWASH: I don't think he's saying that. You shouldn't put words in his mouth.
ZAHN: He did say it was a bad thing.
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NAWASH: We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
MARTIN: But here's the piece that you were missing. An individual doesn't necessarily have to apologize. It was an institution. Slavery was approved by local council.
HOLMES: Exactly, a state-sponsored institution.
MARTIN: One second. By the state, by the federal government, governors, the Supreme Court. The point...
NAWASH: We corrected that. That was what Brown versus Board of Education. That was what Plessy versus Ferguson was all about.
HOLMES: OK, so help me to understand it. Why did we apologize for the Japanese.
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MARTIN: Why did we apologize for Japanese internment camps.
NAWASH: I thought that was wrong. We shouldn't have apologized for that.
MARTIN: Why have be apologized -- no, but see, there's a reason. It's also why internationally when you have certain incidents, countries apologize for those incidents. You do it because it is right, it is proper.
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NAWASH: Would you feel better if...
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MARTIN: It's called ownership. It's called admitting it.
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ZAHN: But do individuals like Kalamie (ph) bear ownership of this? You're saying it purely should come from institutions and we bear no responsibility. MARTIN: No, it's a matter of institutions. When the United States Senate, when apologized for their failure to say anything and do anything about lynching, it does matter. You are establishing that you actually acknowledge what took place.
HOLMES: Acknowledging a wrong.
NAWASH: But isn't that what the Civil Rights Act all about -- when we passed the Civil Rights Act and say hey, there's no more separation, there's no more segregation?
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NAWASH: But by point is now, in the eyes of the government you're completely equal.
MARTIN: No, I'm not.
NAWASH: And if you're not, then you should ask for equality. You should be asking for equality, not looking at the past.
MARTIN: No, and that's what happens when you don't have a full understanding of how it impacts people today. It does matter to apologize.
NAWASH: Maybe I don't. Maybe I don't.
ZAHN: Let me talk about this moral equivalence people are bringing out. In the same interview, Delegate Hargrove equated apologized to blacks for slavery to apologizing to Jews for killing Christ.
HOLMES: Well, clearly he doesn't know his Biblical history. That's a whole 'nother, you now, can of worms that I don't think we need to get into. I think he needs to apologize for having made that remark about Jews killing Christ. It's just completely unimaginable that he would say that. Nothing further to add.
ZAHN: He was just said he spoke his mind, we called...
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HOLMES: He doesn't have his history correct. But I think the point that you're trying make and he maybe was trying to make and fumbling is it's the idea of individuals bearing white guilt of historic wrongs. I think those are things that we can...
ZAHN: Right, your family didn't have slaves.
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NAWASH: No. We may be white but we didn't -- and I'm an immigrant.
MARTIN: But I want to say...
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HOLMES: Hold on just a second, Roland. The point we're talking about, as I said, as I said earlier, is about institutions acknowledging this. We have newspapers from the Northeast -- they have published apologies...
NAWASH: Would it make a difference?
HOLMES: ... for having published advertisements for the slave trade. Now there's no slave trade today, but those newspapers have felt that it is appropriate that they acknowledge and take responsibility for their history and their part.
ZAHN: Hang on one second -- should there ever be a statute of limitations on these apologies that you're talking about? Are you talking for hundreds of more years that you still think institutions should be?
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ZAHN: You get the final word, Roland.
MARTIN: The point is, there is no statue of limitations when you have never acknowledged the wrong It's no different in the personal relationship when someone hurts someone else. What do they always say in a marriage? If you never acknowledge how you hurt the other person, then it continues. Acknowledging the wrong, it means something and we should never dismiss it.