US Presidential Election XII

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by Debra S

about Trump being a builder...

One of the most iconic US Skyscrapers built in the last 30 years bears his name

[cobl04]

Of all the things Trump has said, the Obama founding ISIS thing is one of his more reasonable. It's rhetoric, but I get where he's coming from.

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Debra S

I think Trump will end trickle down economics because he is a builder. So new construction etc jobs. Plus he wants to lower taxes on the middle class and take out strangling regulations for small businesses (which employ the majority of Americans).

Lowering taxes and reducing regulations is the basis of trickle down. His economic plan is based on lowering taxes, it's a trickle down believers wet dream.


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[anitram]

Originally Posted by cobl04

Of all the things Trump has said, the Obama founding ISIS thing is one of his more reasonable. It's rhetoric, but I get where he's coming from.

He has clarified that it was not rhetoric.

And if you get what he is coming from, then why isn't it Bush's fault? But for him invading Iraq on a lie, nothing else that followed would have happened (including ISIS).

[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by anitram

He has clarified that it was not rhetoric.



And if you get what he is coming from, then why isn't it Bush's fault? But for him invading Iraq on a lie, nothing else that followed would have happened (including ISIS).

Didn't the democrats blame him for Al-Queda? (or his father at least?) can't give their family all the credit now.

[Axver]

Originally Posted by anitram

He has clarified that it was not rhetoric.

Seriously, this man is an imbecile.

If he wants to make a rhetorical point that Obama's policies and decisions contributed to the founding of ISIS, he can. I will disagree, and like you direct the blame back further to Bush and Blair, but the argument's there to be made and he was given a wide open opportunity to embrace it.

But to double down and claim Obama is actually a founder of ISIS? That's fucking delusional, no matter where you stand.

I cannot fathom how Trump has any support left even from his own side of politics. His party needs to knife him. Come visit Australia to learn how; our two main parties are world experts in the field! We'll knife a leader for almost anything.

[Oregoropa]

Ooops this can't be (Rasmussen 8/11 poll 1000 LV)

Black voters favor Clinton 72% to Trump's 20%

[Kieran McConville]

Originally Posted by Axver

Seriously, this man is an imbecile.

If he wants to make a rhetorical point that Obama's policies and decisions contributed to the founding of ISIS, he can. I will disagree, and like you direct the blame back further to Bush and Blair, but the argument's there to be made and he was given a wide open opportunity to embrace it.

But to double down and claim Obama is actually a founder of ISIS? That's fucking delusional, no matter where you stand.

I cannot fathom how Trump has any support left even from his own side of politics. His party needs to knife him. Come visit Australia to learn how; our two main parties are world experts in the field! We'll knife a leader for almost anything.

Is there a small outside possibility that he thinks Osama is the founder of ISIS? I'm just grasping for straws here.

[BEAL]

Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

Is there a small outside possibility that he thinks Osama is the founder of ISIS? I'm just grasping for straws here.

He flat out said Obama is the founder, and Clinton Cofounder.

You could make the argument that our policies helped form ISIS (going as far back as Colin Powell mentioning Baghdadi and giving him cred)......but that's not what Trump replied. He said FOUNDER.

It's insane. Even when presented with a topic he could clearly make a great point, he goes full retard


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[Kieran McConville]

I was mostly joking.

[Hawkmoon269]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

EDIT: I'm really tired of making the distinction between private email and private server. They aren't equivalent. Some Secretaries of State have used the former. Hillary Clinton has used the latter. As far as I know, she is the only SoS to do so. I could be wrong, but I do not believe I am. Also, you all realize that these new emails were discovered amongst emails that had been deleted from her server, if I understand this correctly, right? We still gonna argue over whether she had a private server for less-than-legitimate reasons?
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Just wanted to point out that according to this page the whole email thing has happened before with Colin Powell and Jeb Bush: https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/28/wh...-about-anyway/

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, under the Bush administration, ran his own email server and later wiped it, saying of the files stored therein: “I don’t have any to turn over. I did not keep a cache of them. I did not print them off. I do not have thousands of pages somewhere in my personal files.”

Jeb Bush, while Governor of Florida, did the same thing:

The former governor conducted all his communication on his private Jeb@jeb.org account and turned over the hand-selected batch to the state archives when he left office. Absent from the stash are emails the governor deemed not relevant to the public record: those relating to politics, fundraising and personal matters while he was governor.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Debra S

I am confused what he exactly said otherwise...?

I know, and that's part of the problem.

His real economic plan IS a trickle down plan. Economists will define it as such, and most republicans will defend it as such.

I'm not sure why you are believing otherwise?


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

One of the most iconic US Skyscrapers built in the last 30 years bears his name

Actually, it's a joke in the architectural community. It's nothing but a phallic symbol. It's only goal was height for heights sake.

It was also built by illegal means that Trump is railing against. There's a reason that picture isn't showing up in his political ads. Ask yourself why?


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[Oregoropa]

Dr. BVS

Phd. Petroleum Policy
Phd. Architecture

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Dr. BVS


Phd. Architecture

No, just a masters.


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[LuckyNumber7]

Not to defend Trump, but I'm not sure if it matters what the architecture community says, if the public isn't really aware. I'd say it's 'iconic' in some petty light. So is that big ugly sliver building in midtown Manhattan. People know it, but it doesn't have a reputation like say... Empire, 1WTC, Sears/Willis, Chrysler, Transamerica, etc. it's just a big building. Nobody "identifies" it nationally or globally like other buildings.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Not to defend Trump, but I'm not sure if it matters what the architecture community says, if the public isn't really aware. I'd say it's 'iconic' in some petty light. So is that big ugly sliver building in midtown Manhattan. People know it, but it doesn't have a reputation like say... Empire, 1WTC, Sears/Willis, Chrysler, Transamerica, etc. it's just a big building. Nobody "identifies" it nationally or globally like other buildings.

My point is history will forget it. After the new and shiny wears off it has nothing to remember. There's nothing innovative, green, or progressive in anyway about this building. It was about ego.



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[Debra S]

Originally Posted by BEAL

He flat out said Obama is the founder, and Clinton Cofounder.

You could make the argument that our policies helped form ISIS (going as far back as Colin Powell mentioning Baghdadi and giving him cred)......but that's not what Trump replied. He said FOUNDER.

It's insane. Even when presented with a topic he could clearly make a great point, he goes full retard


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An expert pundit on Fox News said that Trump is exactly right.

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Debra S

An expert pundit on Fox News said that Trump is exactly right.

Is this supposed to be a joke?


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[corianderstem]

A pundit on Fox agreed with Trump?

This is my shocked face.