US Presidential Election XII - Page 40

BVS · 08-31-2016, 09:40 PM

This move by Trump is such a bizarre one, even by Trump standards.

I'm genuinely interested; what do you Trump supporters think of this? Betrayed? Or is this the move you wanted?

And will he win over any new votes this late in the game?

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Debra S · 08-31-2016, 11:26 PM

by move, do you mean the immigration speech?

He presented 10 points to reform the immigration system that include building the wall (that Mexico will pay for) and deporting criminal illegal aliens. So he's doubling down on all of his previous campaign speeches.

It's heavy handed, but I think a strong speech. Don't know if he can actually accomplish his goals in the real world we have of welcoming immigrants. He was playing to the base, definitely, and I am not certain that tone will win over undecided voters.

btw, the polls are tightening. North Carolina has Trump +2, Arizona has Trump +4, Wisconson has Clinton +3. Reuters has Clinton +1 (data from Aug 31 on RealClearPolitics).

**Diemen** · 09-01-2016, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Debra S

building the wall (that Mexico will pay for)

Except for that pesky part about the Mexican president telling Trump (again) today that they would not pay for any border wall. But other than the fact that Trump's key immigration proposal will never happen, yeah, it was a great "policy" speech.

Debra S · 09-01-2016, 01:05 AM

True, Mexico won't pay outright for the wall. But as it is laid out on Trump's website, the funds will come from leverage on wire transfers (getting a percentage of the $24 billion sent to Mexico every year by Mexican workers in the US), visa fees, and trade tariffs.

**Diemen** · 09-01-2016, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Debra S

True, Mexico won't pay outright for the wall. But as it is laid out on Trump's website, the funds will come from leverage on wire transfers (getting a percentage of the $24 billion sent to Mexico every year by Mexican workers in the US), visa fees, and trade tariffs.

Riiiight. And that will cover the enormous costs of building and maintaining a border wall.

I've also got some oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

Oregoropa · 09-01-2016, 02:04 AM

I got off work at midnight and watched the speech on DVR. I'm too tired to give my full commentary tonight , but that's coming.

It would be nice to open things up and save the world out of generosity, but we are ignoring the hard facts.

This video sums it up.

https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE

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**Diemen** · 09-01-2016, 02:36 AM

That video engages in a number of fallacies, the largest two of which are 1)the goal of our immigration policy is to solve world poverty, 2)we can either take immigrants into our country or help them in their country, not both.

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 09-01-2016, 06:00 AM

This isn't real life, right? I mean tell me this is just s long dream, or that this is some sort of collective punking of America and Trump, Ashton Kutcher and Debra S are all in on it.

This can't be a real.

BVS · 09-01-2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Debra S

by move, do you mean the immigration speech?

btw, the polls are tightening. North Carolina has Trump +2, Arizona has Trump +4, Wisconson has Clinton +3. Reuters has Clinton +1 (data from Aug 31 on RealClearPolitics).

Yeah, I'll admit I wrote that post before reading his transcript, when I like most others, thought his meeting with Mexico was a softening of his stance. Makes his meeting even more bizarre and useless.

Polls tightening? Only in Trumpville, where facts are evil, white is right, and money can just be printed is this a tightening in the polls.

You gained one poll, now you have a whopping 3 polls that favor the folks that are willing to set the country on fire. Feel proud

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**Headache in a Suitcase** · 09-01-2016, 08:22 AM

Today in made up controversies...

Bill Clinton Used Taxpayer Cash to Subsidize Foundation and Private Email Server for Wife

Oh my god! That's terrible. That could actually be something that takes her down! What was this taxpayer money that they used? Some sort of aid that was misused and misdirected? Did they steal?

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The thousands of pages of newly uncovered records reveal sometimes granular detail about how Bill Clinton’s representatives directed the spending of taxpayer cash allocated by the GSA under the Former President’s Act.

Sooooo Bill Clinton took his 100% legal post-presidential salary and directed it to his staff instead? And bought stuff?

My stars!

anitram · 09-01-2016, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Diemen

Riiiight. And that will cover the enormous costs of building and maintaining a border wall.

I've also got some oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

You actually could easily pay for it with trade tariffs (the visa and wire transfer fees is just silly) but then you'd have to rip up NAFTA and basically go to economic war with Mexico which I don't believe for a second would ever happen.

Walmart needs to sell cheap shit somehow.

anitram · 09-01-2016, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

This isn't real life, right? I mean tell me this is just s long dream, or that this is some sort of collective punking of America and Trump, Ashton Kutcher and Debra S are all in on it.

This can't be a real.

Is it actually real???

If so, did Sarah Palin come up with that line? Her signature "also" gives it away.

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 09-01-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by anitram

Is it actually real???

If so, did Sarah Palin come up with that line? Her signature "also" gives it away.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydai...hms-tmobile-us

Campaign official says Trump came up with "Make Mexico Great Again Also" himself.

I mean... He's gotta be just fucking with the guys, right? This isn't real, right?

trojanchick99 · 09-01-2016, 08:51 AM

So Trump wants to punish the working poor Mexican-Americans who send money to their even poorer family? Fuck him.

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BVS · 09-01-2016, 08:53 AM

Does Giuliani know he's been turned into a rodeo clown?

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BVS · 09-01-2016, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by trojanchick99

So Trump wants to punish the working poor Mexican-Americans who send money to their even poorer family? Fuck him.

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I wonder what he'll do to his rich friends who send their money to say the Swiss?

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**Headache in a Suitcase** · 09-01-2016, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Does Giuliani know he's been turned into a rodeo clown?

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He's not alone...

martha · 09-01-2016, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Oregoropa

but we are ignoring the hard facts.

Someone is. Regularly.

anitram · 09-01-2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

I mean... He's gotta be just fucking with the guys, right? This isn't real, right?

Maybe he's always hated Giuliani? I mean I don't know what else could justify this...

gump · 09-01-2016, 09:25 AM

I had missed this when it came out, but it hits the nail on the head on so many issues. The "post-fact world" is an accurate term.

https://granta.com/why-were-post-fact/

08-31-2016, 09:40 PM	#781
BVS Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: between my head and heart Posts: 41,232 Local Time: 09:21 PM	This move by Trump is such a bizarre one, even by Trump standards. I'm genuinely interested; what do you Trump supporters think of this? Betrayed? Or is this the move you wanted? And will he win over any new votes this late in the game? Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference __________________

08-31-2016, 11:26 PM	#782
Debra S The Fly Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 126 Local Time: 06:21 PM	by move, do you mean the immigration speech? He presented 10 points to reform the immigration system that include building the wall (that Mexico will pay for) and deporting criminal illegal aliens. So he's doubling down on all of his previous campaign speeches. It's heavy handed, but I think a strong speech. Don't know if he can actually accomplish his goals in the real world we have of welcoming immigrants. He was playing to the base, definitely, and I am not certain that tone will win over undecided voters. btw, the polls are tightening. North Carolina has Trump +2, Arizona has Trump +4, Wisconson has Clinton +3. Reuters has Clinton +1 (data from Aug 31 on RealClearPolitics). __________________

09-01-2016, 09:25 AM	#800
gump ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,145 Local Time: 10:21 PM	I had missed this when it came out, but it hits the nail on the head on so many issues. The "post-fact world" is an accurate term. https://granta.com/why-were-post-fact/ __________________

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09-01-2016, 01:05 AM	#784
Debra S The Fly Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 126 Local Time: 06:21 PM	True, Mexico won't pay outright for the wall. But as it is laid out on Trump's website, the funds will come from leverage on wire transfers (getting a percentage of the $24 billion sent to Mexico every year by Mexican workers in the US), visa fees, and trade tariffs.

09-01-2016, 02:04 AM	#786
Oregoropa Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Polish-American Stronghold PA Posts: 4,144 Local Time: 09:21 PM	I got off work at midnight and watched the speech on DVR. I'm too tired to give my full commentary tonight , but that's coming. It would be nice to open things up and save the world out of generosity, but we are ignoring the hard facts. This video sums it up. https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference

09-01-2016, 02:36 AM	#787
Diemen Resident Photo Buff Forum Moderator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Somewhere in middle America Posts: 13,690 Local Time: 09:21 PM	That video engages in a number of fallacies, the largest two of which are 1)the goal of our immigration policy is to solve world poverty, 2)we can either take immigrants into our country or help them in their country, not both.

09-01-2016, 06:00 AM	#788
Headache in a Suitcase Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 74,633 Local Time: 10:21 PM	This isn't real life, right? I mean tell me this is just s long dream, or that this is some sort of collective punking of America and Trump, Ashton Kutcher and Debra S are all in on it. This can't be a real.

09-01-2016, 08:51 AM	#794
trojanchick99 Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Feliz, CA (between Hollywood and Downtown LA) Posts: 8,352 Local Time: 07:21 PM	So Trump wants to punish the working poor Mexican-Americans who send money to their even poorer family? Fuck him. Sent from my SM-G920V using U2 Interference mobile app

09-01-2016, 08:53 AM	#795
BVS Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: between my head and heart Posts: 41,232 Local Time: 09:21 PM	Does Giuliani know he's been turned into a rodeo clown? Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference