US Presidential Election XII

[corianderstem]

My reaction is: is *this* what the Clinton Foundation scandal is about? Maybe I'm just old and jaded about politicians, but I thought that was kind of a given as to how shit worked in high-level politics.

Greasing the wheels, money changing hands, lobbyists, slapping babies and kissing backs, and secret cabals or whatever.

[Axver]

I suspect that most of the people complaining about this either a). have no idea how business and politics work; or b). do but are playing it up for partisan hack reasons; and in both cases c). would demand such perks if they were in that position.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

I am saddened that the Clinton Foundation had the balls to bribe contractors for the rights to contracts.

Wait, what's that? That's the other candidate? They focused on making the world a better place? Oh.

But still... Rarrrr pay to play.


This is so fucking stupid. I have to do things for donors all the time. They're not bribing my organization to get special as treatment. They're supporting the philanthropic activities we partake in. And it's just common fucking sense that if the Tisch family wants to get their kid into a sold out program, you get the fucking kid into a sold out program. Because duh.

And if someone important to my wife's work needed something, I'd do my damnedest to make it happen.

There is nothing in any of these emails that shows that any of these meetings or requests was for anything nefarious. It's all rather mundane crap. Stuff that anyone in any job would do for somebody who's been a friend or a donor or ally in any other position they may have had at some point.

Shit, there's nothing even remotely close to Cheney/Haliburton level corruption. But that's conveniently ignored by Republicans. Because Hillary is evil.

Stop killing my sanctimony buzz.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

I am saddened that the Clinton Foundation had the balls to bribe contractors for the rights to contracts.

Wait, what's that? That's the other candidate?

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Shit, there's nothing even remotely close to Cheney/Haliburton level corruption. But that's conveniently ignored by Republicans. Because Hillary is evil.

Thank you. Especially in regards to the Haliburton thing. Excellent point.

And seriously, do Trump supporters honestly believe Trump is, has been, or will be totally pure and innocent regarding doing things like this?

'Cause if so...wow.

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

Thank you. Especially in regards to the Haliburton thing. Excellent point.

And seriously, do Trump supporters honestly believe Trump is, has been, or will be totally pure and innocent regarding doing things like this?

'Cause if so...wow.

If there is any comparable dirt on Trump we would be hearing it on blast 24/7.

The Clinton Foundation Pay to Play monstrosity is like an Iceberg. Right now only 10% of it is visible above the waterline. It gets uglier everyday with more information coming out through Judicial Watch and Wikileaks.




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[deep]

You're better than this

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

If there is any comparable dirt on Trump we would be hearing it on blast 24/7.

The Clinton Foundation Pay to Play monstrosity is like an Iceberg. Right now only 10% of it is visible above the waterline. It gets uglier everyday with more information coming out through Judicial Watch and Wikileaks.




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Comparable dirt? What comparable dirt is left?!

If you're saying that Trump has an advantage because we already know of the thousands of despicable things he's said and done that, hey, everything from here on out should look pretty good in comparison? Then hey, you might have a point.

Except Trump.

[martha]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

If there is any comparable dirt on Trump we would be hearing it on blast 24/7.

The Clinton Foundation Pay to Play monstrosity is like an Iceberg. Right now only 10% of it is visible above the waterline. It gets uglier everyday with more information coming out through Judicial Watch and Wikileaks.




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His genuine curiousity about why the US doesn't/hasn't used its nuclear weapons isn't enough?


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

WASHINGTON ― After bragging for a year about how cheaply he was running his campaign, Donald Trump is spending more freely now that other people are contributing ― particularly when the beneficiary is himself.

Trump nearly quintupled the monthly rent his presidential campaign pays for its headquarters at Trump Tower to $169,758 in July, when he was raising funds from donors, compared with March, when he was self-funding his campaign, according to a Huffington Post review of Federal Election Commission filings. The rent jumped even though he was paying fewer staff in July than he did in March.

The Trump campaign paid Trump Tower Commercial LLC $35,458 in March ― the same amount it had been paying since last summer ― and had 197 paid employees and consultants. In July, it paid 172 employees and consultants.

Trump is stealing campaign funds in order to raise his own personal net worth... but it's a non story, cause it's just sorta expected at this point.

Tip of the turd, if you will

[Axver]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

Thank you. Especially in regards to the Haliburton thing. Excellent point.

And seriously, do Trump supporters honestly believe Trump is, has been, or will be totally pure and innocent regarding doing things like this?

'Cause if so...wow.

This is the thing. If you want to critique the entire system, go for it. But this is the wrong election to use that to smear your rival, because both candidates are immersed in the corporate world. And anybody who thinks that Trump hasn't gone far beyond anything Clinton has done clearly hasn't paid a second of attention to how the man conducts himself or his business.

I also wonder why those who claim no allegiance to either main candidate use this as a stick to beat Clinton rather than Trump. I get why Trump fans do it, even if it's disingenuous. But if you're non-aligned it's a stick to beat both. Focusing on Clinton opens up the implication of sexism.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Saint Bernie Sanders has never done a favor for anyone. That's why all his friends call him Ole Dickhead

[BEAL]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

If there is any comparable dirt on Trump we would be hearing it on blast 24/7.

The Clinton Foundation Pay to Play monstrosity is like an Iceberg. Right now only 10% of it is visible above the waterline. It gets uglier everyday with more information coming out through Judicial Watch and Wikileaks.




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Montrosity? Come on. There just isn't anything there! None of us even like Clinton, so if there was something bad we'd call it out.

And we keep hearing every single week how something worse will be revealed about Clinton, and where is it? Saving it for October? When Trump could be down 40 points? Instead every week it's a new Trump issue that comes out. Why do you think Clinton has been silent. She doesn't have to say anything when Trump implodes and helps her. But in sure that's the medias fault, not his.

It's like this is the first time people have ever paid attention to how politics work. Now we're shocked if favors are given, or that the system is unfair. Since when did we all open our eyes and demand our candidates be pure and wart free?

There are many things to be legitimately concerned or upset with, and this just isn't one of them.

And literally every criticism thrown Clintons way Trump has done blatantly in the open for everyone to see. But no one cares. Clinton is the liar, the corrupt one....because someone else said so!!

Again, she's not perfect. She has many things about her that makes her unlikable without the GOP slander.

But when it's been brought up about Trumps corruption or flat out lying / flip flopping....it's ignored.


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[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by BEAL

But when it's been brought up about Trumps corruption or flat out lying / flip flopping....it's ignored.

It's not ignored, it's just old news. Trump's willing duplicity was established so early and in so many forms that it's not really noteworthy anymore. And the polls are reflecting that the voters haven't forgotten.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

If there is any comparable dirt on Trump we would be hearing it on blast 24/7.

The Clinton Foundation Pay to Play monstrosity is like an Iceberg. Right now only 10% of it is visible above the waterline. It gets uglier everyday with more information coming out through Judicial Watch and Wikileaks.




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Hilarity on multiple levels


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[Oregoropa]

Haha. The weight of the Clinton Foundation scandal will come crashing down on her head. Brutal timing as we enter the homestretch. Trump may say mean things but he is not the poster child of DC corruption that Hillary is. Y'all might want to prepare for your worst nightmare November 8th

I'll give this, you guys and gals do a great job of closing ranks when the narrative is under attack. Maybe, deep down you do feel Clinton may be headed up shit creek, but you're just not going to say it here.

I'm going to go over to the John Cusack thread for awhile and dream it all up again.


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[martha]

You still haven't outlined which of Trump's "stances" you agree with.

[womanfish]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Haha. The weight of the Clinton Foundation scandal will come crashing down on her head. Brutal timing as we enter the homestretch. Trump may say mean things but he is not the poster child of DC corruption that Hillary is. Y'all might want to prepare for your worst nightmare November 8th

I'll give this, you guys and gals do a great job of closing ranks when the narrative is under attack. Maybe, deep down you do feel Clinton may be headed up shit creek, but you're just not going to say it here.

I'm going to go over to the John Cusack thread for awhile and dream it all up again.


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Interesting that the Foundation talk has been going on for over a week, before that, one or two weeks of more "email" talk, both in regards to the FBI interview notes going to congress, and the Foundation (pay to play)

Some calling it 3 disastrous weeks for Clinton, yet...
National polls are steady, 538 projection steady, and state polls actually getting a little better for Clinton.

[womanfish]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Haha. The weight of the Clinton Foundation scandal will come crashing down on her head. Brutal timing as we enter the homestretch. Trump may say mean things but he is not the poster child of DC corruption that Hillary is. Y'all might want to prepare for your worst nightmare November 8th

I'll give this, you guys and gals do a great job of closing ranks when the narrative is under attack. Maybe, deep down you do feel Clinton may be headed up shit creek, but you're just not going to say it here.

I'm going to go over to the John Cusack thread for awhile and dream it all up again.


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This sums up why this too shall pass. I think the voting public is growing tired of false stories being drummed up by Republicans. Polls showing they aren't buying it anymore.

Clinton Foundation story offers smoke, but no fire | MSNBC

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Blah blah blah October surprise blah blah I have no other argument blah blah maybe she had a stroke blah blah blah maybe I'm running out of excuses for my own party's ineptitude blah blah Benghazi blah blah build the wall lock her up blah blah fuck

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Haha. The weight of the Clinton Foundation scandal will come crashing down on her head. Brutal timing as we enter the homestretch. Trump may say mean things but he is not the poster child of DC corruption that Hillary is. Y'all might want to prepare for your worst nightmare November 8th

I'll give this, you guys and gals do a great job of closing ranks when the narrative is under attack. Maybe, deep down you do feel Clinton may be headed up shit creek, but you're just not going to say it here.

I'm going to go over to the John Cusack thread for awhile and dream it all up again.


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One thing about it, you're a true believer. I'll give you that. I mean you believe in the Breibart fabrication of the world, but at least you believe.