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Old 08-17-2016, 01:19 PM   #381
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If you burst into flames of disgust after 30 Seconds after listening to Trump then you can turn it off. I challenge you to listen objectively and come back with a critique on policy and presentation. That goes for anybody reading this post
Without having seen it (the little free time I have from my stalker, I mean, almost-toddler, I use to watch the Olympics), does it not strike you as a bit weird/peculiar to have a major policy speech on African Americans in Wisconsin, one of the whitest places in the nation? Was the audience all white?

Bit bizarre.
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I don't have the time right at this moment to listen to a 40 minute speech.

Can you provide the specifics?
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Maybe do some homework and watch on YouTube Trump's speech Monday and yesterday's speech in Wisconsin. A republican has never addressed the needs of African-Americans in the terms he laid out last night. The LA times daily poll today showed an 18% spike in African-American support for Trump just today from a steady flatline of under 5% for the past 3 weeks.

If you burst into flames of disgust after 30 Seconds after listening to Trump then you can turn it off. I challenge you to listen objectively and come back with a critique on policy and presentation. That goes for anybody reading this post

It's not about who's nuts are touching the floor.

On that note. #DicksOutForHarambe


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Maybe you missed it: when he talks about policy he's often vague, contradicts himself, or makes incorrect claims.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:43 PM   #384
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Maybe do some homework and watch on YouTube Trump's speech Monday and yesterday's speech in Wisconsin. A republican has never addressed the needs of African-Americans in the terms he laid out last night. The LA times daily poll today showed an 18% spike in African-American support for Trump just today from a steady flatline of under 5% for the past 3 weeks.
What do you mean "a Republican has never addressed the needs of African-Americans in the terms he laid out last night"? He didn't lay out any terms. It was all just "I'm going to getting you jobs" "that party has ignored you" blah blah blah...

And yes he had a spike in the daily, but it wasn't 18% when I just looked at it.
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I challenge you to listen objectively and come back with a critique on policy and presentation. That goes for anybody reading this post
First of all, Trump gave his speech bemoaning the plight of Milwaukee's African Americans under Democrats... in West Bend, and overwhelmingly white suburb. By all reports there were no African Americans present in the audience. Why would he give a speech focusing on Milwaukee in... not Milwaukee? Second, why would he give a speech focusing on African Americans to an entirely white audience?

Secondly, Trump claims that Democrats have been disastrous for Milwaukee's African Americans. Conveniently ignoring the fact that Wisconsin has had a Republican governor and Republican majority in the legislature for quite a few years now. Conveniently ignoring any Republican policies that have objectively hurt the African American community. The only policy he seemed to promote was increased law enforcement. No mention whatsoever of reforming law enforcement policies, either, but plenty of blame cast on those who question law enforcement tactics.

Sure, there's blame to go around and Democrats are not faultless by any stretch of the imagination, but to pretend that this was a measured, thoughtfully considered speech on policy is laughable. The only reason its being treated as such is because Trump stuck to the teleprompter and didn't go off the rails.
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Remember when a teleprompter was a sign of weakness and embarrassment?

Now it's considered badge of honor if you can do it without mistake


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Why would he give a speech focusing on Milwaukee in... not Milwaukee? .

Perhaps because the city's law enforcement resources are already strained with cops pulling overtime staying up all night to deal with the unrest. It would be incredibly tone-deaf for him to hold a speech in downtown Milwaukee at 9 pm requiring law enforcement to provide security for his event.


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I don't have the time right at this moment to listen to a 40 minute speech.

Can you provide the specifics?

40 minutes is a long time. Give it the first15 minutes if you can.


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Perhaps because the city's law enforcement resources are already strained with cops pulling overtime staying up all night to deal with the unrest. It would be incredibly tone-deaf for him to hold a speech in downtown Milwaukee at 9 pm requiring law enforcement to provide security for his event.


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40 minutes is a long time. Give it the first15 minutes if you can.


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Great, the potential leader of the world can read from a script for 40 minutes.

Is this really the standard to which we hold our leaders to?




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Great, the potential leader of the world can read from a script for 40 minutes.

Is this really the standard to which we hold our leaders to?




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His recent speeches are about 80% prompter 20% off-the-cuff additions.

Is Hillary on prompter the whole time?

I'm not here to sway votes. Would like to foment discussion on an unfiltered view of a candidate's speech.

We are all busy so I understand.


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He's recent speeches are about 80% prompter 20% off-the-cuff additions.

Is Hillary on prompter the whole time?

I'm not here to sway votes. Would like to foment discussion on an unfiltered view of a candidate's speech.

We are all busy so I understand.


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I just think you believe the speech to be a little more important than it really was. Apparently there were those in the crowd that didn't like his focus on "the blacks" and then there were many black people who attacked his speech and said he still missed the point.

Side note: have you seen insult comic dog's fake Trump ads focus group on real Trump supporters? Comic gold.


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The only policy he seemed to promote was increased law enforcement.
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He did speak for several minutes about Education in inner-city school systems.

How do you feel about his proposal to retain good teachers with Merit-Based pay?

Giving more power to get rid of bad teachers who are protected by the NEA (in the pocket of the Democratic Party) ?

I went to a diverse public middle-class school district in New Jersey. I was in the Honors tract so I had some fantastic teachers. Some of my gym/art teachers were obviously just phoning it in with their tenure protected. I can easily see where the problem can exist where bad apples can stay, preventing opportunity for new inspiring teachers to enter the system.

He also touched on charter schools. A GOP promoted policy for the past 2 decades. Not a cover-all solution for everybody but there are success stories.

I've never had a chance to see the documentary 'Waiting for Superman' that deals with education in urban centers. Did catch some of the commentary on families having to go through the lottery system to send their kids to better schools. Seemed like it was a make or break moment for their kid's futures.


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Remember when a teleprompter was a sign of weakness and embarrassment?

Now it's considered badge of honor if you can do it without mistake
I just remember people on the right mocking Obama for using teleprompters. But now they're suddenly a-ok with Trump using them.

(I personally couldn't care less whether a politician uses a teleprompter or not. Just noting the double standard with Trump and Obama on that issue.)

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It's not about who's nuts are touching the floor.
So Trump's thing of making dick jokes during the primaries as well as he and the other GOP candidates basically engaging in a ridiculous pissing match with each other, was...what, then?

And let's not forget Trump's utterly obnoxious back and forth with Cruz that involved him mocking Cruz' wife openly online. Remind me again exactly why should we allow, or trust, somebody that horribly immature to be president?

Also, to Diemen, thanks for the post regarding the e-mail thing. Very interesting.
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Trump's speech offered absolutely nothing for the black community whatsoever. It's a joke to pretend otherwise.
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And have charter schools shown any benefit at all? Seems more exclusive than inclusive for the parents and their kids


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Charter schools are hit and miss, there's no real way to measure their effectivity. Some are nonprofits, some are for profits, the laws vary state to state and because there's no regulatory factor how universities view their qualifications greatly varies.

But because they don't function under the DOE they're a conservative wet dream. But they're like HSAs, they get touted by Republicans ad-nauseam, but they only work for a select few.


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Is Hillary on prompter the whole time?
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That Triumph thing with the Trump supporters watching the fake ads can't be real, right?

But then, my husband and I know a few Trump supporters and they really are that gullible and stupid, and a few really are that racist. So maybe it's real?
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